> Jim Flanegin writes snipped from longer piece: > Right. The experience of Realization can be had by anyone, > any time. But in order to sustain Realization, purification > must occur. I think it was Muktananda who said instant > enlightenment is just that; it lasts for an instant. > > TomT; > Jean Kline woke up in 1955 passed in 1998. "The awakening was > instantanious, clarity takes place in space-time".
Torquiseb writes: Thanks, Tom. It's fascinating how much more accurate your statement is than Jim's. Jim's implies *failure* or something *missing* in short-term experiences of realization. Your statement -- far more accurate -- refers only to how much clarity we bring to the experience. No bullshit about physiology, no guru saying, "Yeah, sure you've had the experience of realization but you still have to stick around and pay me because it isn't 'stabilized' yet." The only thing that develops over time is clarity of experience, which develops on its own, no guru needed. Much better way of expressing it. TomT; It is not exactly that simple and needs to be looked at in the larger context. As Suzanne Segal said hundreds of time in her book Collision with the Infinite. We do the next obvious thing. How do we know it is the next obvious thing? Because it is what we find our selves doing. Which strongly points to the fact that we are not the doer in the subtle sense. We do what we do until we do it differently. Those who do the movement thing are those who's doership is orientated that way. Those who do many things like you and me, do have different doership paths. We find our clarity by doing the next obvious thing. To suggest that we are really aware of what that next obvious thing is before we do it is the mistake of the intellect. There is no right or wrong for anyone on the path., Whatever path you are on is the next obvious thing for you. Whatever path someone else is on is the next obvious thing for them. Rather than insist that we need to shift our paths for some other path we might find that all paths are the next obvious thing for someone and to honor that path as perfect for them. It may not be the same for you, me or anyone else, but it is for them. In honoring the next obvious thing for them is to honor our own convoluted path as perfect and was the next obvious thing for us. In honoring any path as perfect for someone, we are honoring the entire creation as the ultimate path.
