--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> In a message dated 12/30/06 10:05:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> Actually, probably the best thing that any MD could
> > > ever  do for her own evolution would be to go over
> > > and clean the  pundits' toilets.
> > >
> > 
> > You know this  because...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Might not be a bad idea  though. It's called service and would be some what 
> > humbling for the  *goddesses*.
> >
> 
> And why should they be humble? What does humility  have to do with what their 
> spiritual 
> practice or lack  thereof?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That would be an excellent question to ask M. He used to say in the early  
> days,these qualities,that we usually associate with good spiritual conduct 
> are  
> markers of our spiritual progress, I would assume that the lack there of 
> would 
>  also be a marker as well. Also, one of the instructions initiators were to 
> give  on the third night of checking  in order to develop CC was to "do 
> nothing 
>  you know is wrong". Over the years M has had to elaborate on this 
> instruction  off and on,I guess,in order to culture a more spiritual conduct 
> since it 
> seemed  not to be manifesting so naturally as predicted. Masters have often 
> resorted to  *ego busting* tactics to develop a since of humility. I think 
> many of 
> us on this  list have seen M do this,although some may have not known exactly 
> what was going  on at the time.
>

Was it to develop humility for humility's sake, or simply to improve 
communications in a 
given situation?

The story of the teacup running over was a lesson in being open to new 
information and 
insight, NOT a story of one Zen master giving a lesson in humility for 
humility's sake 
alone. Seems to me that someone who is enlightened is neither humble nor proud 
since 
those are dualist POVs. 

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