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[email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
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>
> Judy writes:
> So when you claim the criticisms of others are
> their own deepest, darkest, denied secrets, that
> must mean what you're accusing them of is *your*
> deepest, darkest, denied secret, right?
> 
> Does the 12-step journey provide any insight into
> how to spot and deal with infinite regresses?
> 
> Tom T:
> No judy not accusing just recognizing how it is. There is a
> difference. But in the larger sense it is all just me talking to me 
so
> there we have that old paradox again. Yes I am talking to myself and
> it is all me. Get sober. That is what awakening or the big E is all
> about. Monkey mind is drunk on its own power and rightousness. When
> the monkey mind gets sober it is clear that in its wild search it 
has
> always been obscuring the Truth of who I am.

That's kinda what I'm saying--mind tries to put
things in a linear cause-and-effect sequence, but
in the process ends up creating an infinite regress,
which is the ultimate obscuration (endless self-
reference, as opposed to Self-reference).


 And it is and always has
> been perfect. Tom
>


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