"Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:           Jonathan Chadwick 
wrote:
> ...but swarupanad is legit _ sbs created him too
> 
According to the terms of Brahmanand's will, the Jyotirmath succussor
was Swami Shantinand. No mention in the will of a Swami Swaroopanand.
At any rate, Swami Swaroopanand is not a succusor to Brahmanand . . .

   
  Well at least Mahesh Yogi is not a succesor to SBS because it was his karma 
not to be one:  Mahesh Yogi is not a Brahmin.  And to defeat that proposition 
you have to argue against the whole of Hinduism:  I suppose that's one sense of 
what I mean by "legit."  The following is from Paul Mason's website:
   
  Swami Swaroopananda was born Pothiram Upadhyay in 1924, in the Jabalpur area 
of Madhya Pradesh. At nine years old he left home to visit the holy places of 
India, including Varanasi where he eventually studied with Swami Karpatri (aka 
Hariharananda Saraswati), a disciple of Guru Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. 
At 19 years old he became a freedom fighter in the 'Quit India' movement (1942) 
and was known as 'Revolutionary Sadhu' (serving two prison sentences for same 
of 9 months & 6 months). In 1950 Guru Dev made him a dandi sannyasi. 
  After Guru Dev's passing in 1953, Swarupanand took up with a new guru, Swami 
Krishnabhodashram ji Maharaj. Krishnabhodashram was established as Guru Dev's 
successor by Swami Karpatri, so he was a rival to Swami Shantanand Saraswati 
who also claimed the title of Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math.
  Swami Swarupanand became president of the 'Ramrajya Parishad Party' (set up 
by Swami Karpatri), and on Krishnabhodashram's demise the post of 
Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math passed to Swami Swarupanand. There are now two 
Shankaracharya ashrams in Joshimath, Swami Swaroopanand's being on the site of 
Trotakacharya's cave, just below the ashram that Guru Dev Swami Brahmanand had 
built in the 1940's.
  In 1982 Swami Swaroopanand inherited the title of Shankaracharya of Dwarka. 
  His name has been linked with the politics of the Congress Party and is 
perceived to have been an ally of former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and a 
friend to Sonia Gandhi. 
  Contact details for Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati:
Shri Vidhya Math, Kedarghat, Varanasi, 221001, Uttar Pradesh. INDIA 
Sri Rajarajeswari Mandir, Paramhansi Ganga, Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh 482 002, 
INDIA.
Sharda Peeth, Dwarika, Gujarat, INDIA
  *
  Transcripted excerpts, pertinent to the lifestory of Guru Dev Shankaracharya 
Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, from an interview of Shankaracharya of Dwarka, 
Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati, by Robert Kropinski in Vrindaban, India, 1985. 
  Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati: I was also his disciple, Brahmanand 
Saraswati's. He was my Guru. He would not accept any offerings from his 
disciples.
Disciple should be such that he gives to his Guru everything. Then nothing 
belongs to the disciple, everything is Guru's. Guru should be such that he does 
not take anything from the disciple. He thinks only good of his disciple.
  Q: My Lord, Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati Ji Maharaj, who is our 
pujyapaad (whose feet are worthy of our respect), who is brahmaleen (absorbed 
in Brahma, the omnipresent form of God) who is presiding over the Jyotirpith, 
who is the teacher of the entire universe - that he used to instruct mantras to 
his disciples. I would like to know which mantras were those?
  Shankaracharya: The Lord, Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati Ji Maharaj 
strictly adhered to the varna (caste) and ashram (four stages of life) systems. 
He believed in one's varna by birth. Whosoever came to him to become a 
disciple, he used to ask him which form of God he was in love with. Whichever 
form the new disciple had an interest in, that form he would explain to the new 
disciple. [Guru Dev] used to explain, either you should depend on your own 
inclination or else, he, after understanding your previous life and which form 
of God you worshipped then, would instruct the initiate accordingly.
  Q: Brahmananda Saraswati did not charge any fees when he used to initiate?
  Shankaracharya: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami Tulsidas:-
"The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in return for 
initiation, steals disciple's property and goes to damnable hell."
For that reason Gurudeva used to give upadesha (initiation) without any fees. 
He used to say "If I accept any gift from the disciple (or fees), then his sins 
are transmitted to me." 


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But the point is:  I do the program every day; and mMy - whatever his given 
name is - is Rudy.  He's great.  Hagelin's great.  It's Hinduism that's "a 
mess."  Is the ME for real?  You better believe it.  But I don't have to 
believe it in order to do my progam, experience the benefits, and grow stronger 
each & every day.  As Geoff Wells used, "you can just to believe it enough to 
do it."  
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