--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:20 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
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> >> The original, pre-Buddhist phurba cult originally centered around
> >> the Horse: The Wind Horse.
> >>
> > There's no "pre-Buddhist phurba" - you prbably meant pre-Tibetan
> > Buddhist phurba. The oldest evidence of a phurba iconographic device
> > is dated to the Gupta Age, long after the birth of the historical
> > Buddha.
>
> Yes, I was referring to it's use in Bon tantric practices which pre-
> date the introduction of Tantric Buddhism to Tibeto-Himalaya. The
> original phurbas--called "kilas"
I wonder if that's actually "kiila":
1 kila 1 m. play , trifling L.
2 kila 2 ind. (a particle of asseveration or emphasis) indeed ,
verily , assuredly RV. AV. &c. ; (or of explanation) namely S3Br. &c.
; `" so said "' `" so reported "' , pretendedly VarBr2S. Ka1d. ;
(%{kila} is preceded by the word on which it lays stress , and occurs
very rarely at the beginning of a sentence or verse [R. iv , 14 , 14
Pan5cat. lxxxix , 4] ; according to native lexicographers %{kila} may
be used in communicating intelligence , and may imply `" probably "' ,
`" possibly "' , `" agreement "' , `" dislike "' , `" falsehood "' ,
`" inaccuracy "' , and `" reason. "')
3 kila 3 m. N. of a man Pravar.
4 kIla (= kiila) m. (ifc. f. %{A}) , a sharp piece of wood , stake ,
pin , peg , bolt , wedge , &c. MBh. &c. ; a post , post in a cow-house
to which cows are fastened , pillar L. ; a gnomon L. ; handle , brace
Sus3r. ; the elbow VP. ; a kind of tumour (having the form of a stake)
Sus3r. ; a position of the foetus impeding delivery Sus3r. ; N. of the
inner syllables of a Mantra Ra1matUp. ; N. of Vi7ta-ra1ga Mahe7s3a (=
%{kIle7zvara}) ; = %{bandha} Comm. on VS. ii , 34 ; a weapon L. ;
flame , lambent flame L. ; a minute particle L. ; a blow with the
elbow (= %{kilA}) L. ; (%{A}) f. a stake , pin L. ; the elbow L. ; a
weapon L. ; flame L. ; a minute particle L. ; a blow with the elbow
(or `" a blow in copulation "') Va1tsya1y. ; (%{am}) n. (= %{kIna}) ,
flesh Gal.
"Interestingly" , the word "kiila" in Finnish means 'wedge'.
It's probably a modification to Finnish phonectics of the
Swedish word "kil" (pronounced, oddly enough, like "cheel").
I bet the Swedish word is directly related to the Sanskrit one.
The Finnish "version" has in a way "restored" the Sanskrit
form of that word.
Of course it might be possible that the word
is a direct loan thousands of years ago from Indo-European to Uralic
(Finno-Ugric), or vice versa.
http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/images/langua1_b.jpg
NB. "moksha" in southern Russia, or stuff... :D
