On Jan 7, 2007, at 4:49 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:20 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
The original, pre-Buddhist phurba cult originally centered around
the Horse: The Wind Horse.
There's no "pre-Buddhist phurba" - you prbably meant pre-Tibetan
Buddhist phurba. The oldest evidence of a phurba iconographic device
is dated to the Gupta Age, long after the birth of the historical
Buddha.
Yes, I was referring to it's use in Bon tantric practices which pre-
date the introduction of Tantric Buddhism to Tibeto-Himalaya. The
original phurbas--called "kilas"
I wonder if that's actually "kiila":
Nope:
4 kIla (= kiila) m. (ifc. f. %{A}) , a sharp piece of wood , stake ,
pin , peg , bolt , wedge , &c. MBh. &c. ; a post , post in a cow-house
to which cows are fastened , pillar L. ; a gnomon L. ; handle , brace
Sus3r. ; the elbow VP. ; a kind of tumour (having the form of a stake)
Sus3r. ; a position of the foetus impeding delivery Sus3r. ; N. of the
inner syllables of a Mantra Ra1matUp. ; N. of Vi7ta-ra1ga Mahe7s3a (=
%{kIle7zvara}) ; = %{bandha} Comm. on VS. ii , 34 ; a weapon L. ;
flame , lambent flame L. ; a minute particle L. ; a blow with the
elbow (= %{kilA}) L. ; (%{A}) f. a stake , pin L. ; the elbow L. ; a
weapon L. ; flame L. ; a minute particle L. ; a blow with the elbow
(or `" a blow in copulation "') Va1tsya1y. ; (%{am}) n. (= %{kIna}) ,
flesh Gal.
...is correct. In English we have the saying when someone really
punches someone hard so as to knock them unconscious or "pins" them
in argument "that person was really nailed" which expresses a similar
idea. If you have Highest Yoga Tantra permissions you can read an
excellent historical development of the kila in "Bolt of Lightning
From the Blue" which details the spiritual practice of kilanavidhi.
http://www.khordong.de/Edition/bolt_1.pdf
