Yes, I agree, car dealers are very slimy but I like them because 
they're very hard up people and as the other person said, if you know 
you're prices going in ( I use the kelly blue book wholesale prices, 
kkb.com) you can do ok. It's a good test to see how enlightened you 
are under pressure. I've walked out just before signing my name to a 
contract with the sales guy and two high powered managers steaming 
hot air on top of me. You've got to know the prices and be prepared. 
If you don't and you're guessing how much a car is worth, you're 
dead. Subaru's are very popular here in Colorado, the four wheel 
drive station wagons but, in my opinion, way over priced, $30,000 for 
a new Outback which looks like a small compact. I think a Volvo AW 
drive is a better deal for about the same price. I own two Ford 
Escapes XLTs and love them, great four wheel drive SUVs in Colorado 
Snow Storms, 200 horse power and fantastic for skiing. I paid just 
above wholesale price at the local dealer for both. American cars are 
coming back in quality, Mercedes is falling and Japanese cars are way 
too much money, a Honda Civic fully loaded now costs almost as much 
as an Accord, $22,000 before tax and lic, etc. What a rip off. I 
remember going into a Ferrari dealer in LA when I was in High School 
(1966) and sitting in a sports car and fooling around with the stick 
shift. A dealer came up to me and started screaming that there wasn't 
any transmission oil in the case and that I could ruin this car. "DO 
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THIS CAR COSTS?" he yelled. $15,000 DOLLARS! Mark
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> And then if you want to buy one you have to go to an auto dealer 
which 
> are some of the slimiest people on the face of the earth.
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