--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dalit Buddhists killed because of their caste
> > > 
> > > Why print this tabloid trash? It is just inflammatory and of no 
> > > benefit, in my opinion. Are we supposed to conclude anything 
> > > from it about either Buddhism or Hinduism? If someone from 
> > > another race slanders you, do you then conclude the whole 
> > > race is bad? Looks like bigotry here, my Buddhist friend, 
> > > though I will not conclude that all Buddhists are bigots.
> > 
> > It's all part of Vaj's campaign against MMY.
> > 
> > Pathological.
> 
> Interesting that this assessment comes from the person
> who regularly defends Maharishi's defense of the caste
> system here. Feeling a little sensitive about things
> you've said to support the caste system in the past,
> are we? 
> 
> This isn't a Buddhist thang per se. Many Dalits were 
> originally consigned to the untouchable caste by Hindus 
> because they considered Buddhists beneath them, but 
> after that it became hereditary. The point is that the 
> upper castes in this village killed these people
> because they were getting uppity and didn't want their
> property taken away from them by the upper caste Hindus
> who wanted to build a road through it, and an untouch-
> able getting uppity and wanting to be treated like a 
> human being is something the "more evolved" "upper" 
> castes could not allow to happen.
> 
> This is an example of what the caste system is *really*
> like, not what Maharishi and you present as an idealized
> picture of it. Maharishi's portrayal of what caste is all
> about in India today is as accurate as his portrayal of 
> what life was like in India in Vedic times.
>

MMY talks about an *ideal*. Whether or not that ideal ever existed or can EVER 
exist isn't 
germane to what he says about the ideal. Now, you can take the stance, as a 
practical 
matter, that such a thing simply can't happen in the real world, but you never 
discuss 
things that way that I can recall...



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