Peter: Perhaps, in terms of spiritual evolution, it would serve these two people better to distance themselves from their own ideas and preconceptions of how things ought to be and (1) realize that Kali is still holding on to the world in this Yuga; whilst (2) view the TMO as a focused mirror of the contemporary world as one preferably might view the world in general: non-judgementally, whilst taking things easy and as they come (and being regular in their programming).
Me: I understand that you are trying to take the long view here, and I'm sure that this version of re-framing events has value for you. But I think you are also missing an important point about having personal values and integrity. There is no absolute value in not judging the world. For me it is quite the opposite. By applying my judgments on the world I have discovered my own ethics and values that are important to me. The Indian myth of the yugas may or may not be accurate to historical fact, but it doesn't give anyone the right to screw people over or be unethical. I don't think people should "take it easy" when confronted with unethical or cruel actions. Distancing oneself from your own "ideas and preconceptions of how things aught to be" sounds like a detached existence without any heart or self-knowledge. Our minds shouldn't be so open that our brains fall out. Personal values and insights into life are hard earned and deserve respect. Just because we are wrong sometimes and our knowledge is always growing doesn't mean we can't have any knowledge that we can be confident about, until evidence shows us a better way to think. Years of living gives us the advantage that we can know some stuff. Not absolute knowledge in my case, but some convictions that guide my life. If a person tries to screw me over, I judge that as wrong without any insecurity or self doubt. No one can convince me that they have a "good" reason for hurting me. The Kaplans earned the right to their judgments about TMO. It may not match your own, but they were sincere students of MMY and I'll bet they came to their conclusions about the organization at a cost of personal pain and struggle. If you are preaching being non-judgmental, perhaps you could apply it to your judgments of their own personal realization on their path through life and their evolving relationship with TMO and MMY. --- In [email protected], "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Indian TMO as "a mafia-like organization?" > > I've lost count of the number of times this truth has been repeated: > the TMO is separate from one's own realization - the TMO is a washing > machine / mirror of the times we live in. This statement is just as > true when a student kills another student in Fairfield, as it is with > the TMO leadership, and the Indian TMO. > > Perhaps, in terms of spiritual evolution, it would serve these two > people better to distance themselves from their own ideas and > preconceptions of how things ought to be and (1) realize that Kali is > still holding on to the world in this Yuga; whilst (2) view the TMO as > a focused mirror of the contemporary world as one preferably might > view the world in general: non-judgementally, whilst taking things > easy and as they come (and being regular in their programming). > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > > > > Last night a friend told me that a wealthy couple (not either pair of > > Kaplans) living in or near the ³Spiritual Capital² in N. Carolina > donated $2 > > or 3 Million and later began to wonder what might have happened to > it, so > > they went to India to investigate. After 6 months over there, they > came back > > convinced that the Indian TMO was a mafia-like organization and that > > meddling with it could cost you your life. They have since distanced > > themselves from the movement. > > >
