--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > I consider myself fortunate to have worked with Fred
> > > Lenz (Rama), despite many negatives, because when you
> > > were around him the energy field was so strong that 
> > > it was almost impossible to hold onto *anything* long 
> > > enough to believe it was "truth." You'd go out into 
> > > the desert with the dude and have your belief systems 
> > > (and your notions of what 'reality' is) blown right 
> > > out of their socks dozens of times a night. So what's 
> > > to hold onto?
> > 
> > The belief that Lenz had some supernormal ability to
> > blow away your belief systems and notions of what
> > "reality" is?
> >
> Ha-Ha! Yeah, good one! The thing that is impossible to understand 
> except through direct experience is the truth of life, which occurs 
> when reality has been blown away so many times through whatever 
> practice that we finally live permanently outside of the realm of 
> Maya. 
> 
> There seems to be three states here. one is the state where life is 
> lived in the dream of illusion, of unquestioning, ruled by ego and 
> the ego dream. two is the state that barry talks about and enjoys, 
> where the ego dream is challenged and sometimes destroyed. It is an 
> exciting stage, as we begin to see that life is more than we 
> thought, and again and again more than we thought. three is when the 
> ego dream has been completely dissolved and the reality that was 
> lived unquestioningly in the first state, and challenged in the 
> second state is completely absent. Knowledge emerges in this third 
> state that is fresh and new, constantly. It is no longer owned by 
> us, or forming any sort of structure that must be defended. There is 
> no longer anyone to defend it. Life in the other states is seen as 
> the illusions that they are, and life in this state can only be 
> understood by those living it. Life becomes a constant surprise, 
> watching ever fascinated as we are flown from here to there to 
> everywhere, watching out through the window of Creation.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev

Dude, that was sweet.

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