--- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Somewhat parallel to Sprarig's point, if even if a person went outside > > the norm, even outside the law for 5 years over a 90 year life, 70 > > year career, most would see it as a minor abberation, a minor blip in > > the longer trend. I tend to, i think most tend to, look at the longer > > run an give people some slack for "short" periods of messing up. > > > > Some people mess up, redeem themselves, some by going to jail, return > > to society and lead productive, contributive lives to society. > > > > Whether having sex with consenting adults is actually "messing up" is > > another issue. Power issues and teacher status are troublesome. Still > > it was not a lifelong practice from what i know. Maybe 5-6 years, in > > 1967-73 time range. > > > > If this activity was a 40 year pattern, then it would be more > noteworthy. > > > > Lets assume the accounts are all true -- over a five year span. Does > > that diminish everything else he has done? > > > > Of course, he has done other things, over the past 30 years, which to > > me are "sadder" in terms of not fulfilling or dampening progress > > towards the early 70's SIMS and World Plan vision. > > > I relate to what you are saying New Morn. But I do think this went on > for a longer period of time than 5-6 years.
It could have been from early 60's. And gone one through 70's + . I have ehard some acconts of such. But the bulk of the primary "stories" are from late 60s, early 70s. Thus my "speculative 5-6 years. > another long time personal secretary of MMY's, in the early 60's in > London, Joyce-Collins Smith, recalled that MMY started inviting young > women into his room, one at a time, and locking the door. At the time > she just noted it as a change from his previous "open door" policy. > But later, she began to understand what it could mean. And in the TM-Free blog, I re-read an account of early British initiator giving MMY massages, and his asking for more. Apparently from early/mid 60s. > This is WAY before my time and I don't know Ms. Smith personally. I > look at MMY's sexual activities with certain female disciples during > that time as quite wrong, but also just a small piece of a larger > broken picture. Like you, there are other aspects of the TMO in the > last 30 years that cause me equal amounts, if not greater, sadness. Yes. "Sadness" in terms of our expectations. When expectations are dropped, things are as they are. > When I see photos of the Raja's parading around in Vlodrop, so full > of themselves, I am absolutely as perplexed and saddened about what > has become of the TMO as anything that MMY did sexually with a female. >
