In a message dated 2/20/2007 12:53:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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Our perception of what it means to have experiences of Self or  God
realization from yoga techniques my change as we begin to  understand
all the states our brain can support. We may decide that these  states
don't matter as much as ancient people thought they did. I  am
projecting a lot of my own perspective on what that guy wrote here.  I
couldn't care less about what my own or anyone else's state  of
consciousness is, I just want to know what is for lunch. Have  you
read anything interesting lately? What skills have we acquired  that
we can express in art or music? Do we treat people well? These  are
all "relative' concerns, but in my experience, keeping track of  how
people respond to these questions have much more to do with who  they
"are" than their inner experiences.

Take our cyber  relationship. I was interested in your subjective
experiences when I first  logged in here, but I only post to you now
because I enjoy what you say  about your appreciation of things in the
world. You seem to be enjoying  life and that is something I can
respect and appreciate, not what your  sense of self is while enjoying it.

Dennis Miller once said about gay  people that his own orgasm was the
most interesting thing to him in the  world and your orgasm is the most
boring thing in the world to him. I feel  the same way about
consciousness except that I am bored with both of our  states of
consciousness. It didn't seem to make the changes in people  that
impress me so I figure it is just one of the many irrelevant  variables
about people I interact with. So whats for lunch Jim?

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(mailto:[email protected]) ,  "curtisdeltablues" 
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
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> > Jim: > Sorta like the old expression 'flash is trash',  which I
> > understood to 
> > > mean that whatever  flashy experience someone had, the true test 
> was if 
> >  > the yoga influenced their life in a positive way. Some of the most  
> > > enlightened people I know don't meditate.
> >  >
> > 
> > I can't really say for sure but he may not  just be talking about
> > flashy experiences. He may be questioning  what it means when you
> > readjust your sense of self through yoga.  The ancients had a way to
> > understand it that may not fit  today.
> > 
> Your last sentence is intriguing to me. What do  you mean? 
> 
> My experience has been that yoga- union with God-  is very much a self-
> adjusting phenomenon for me personally, though it  may have been spoken 
> of in the past in ways that have to be refreshed  for our present times.
>


 


> Andrew does tend to over analyze "What is Enlightenment". I've read a  few 
of his books. I agree with the idea that we are all just moving at our own  
pace and more concerned about how people treat each other  as a reflection  of 
their state of awareness. It is so simple and brings us back to the here and  
now rather than projecting the mind into the future. I'm not saying that 
looking  ahead a few years down the road is not helpful but too much 
intellectual 
worm  tongueing about enlightenment can only give you a headache and cause you 
to  reach for an aspirin. The time could have been used to enlighten someone  
with a smile or opening up the post office door for someone who has too much to 
 carry in.  Lsoma.
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