In a message dated 2/26/2007 12:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The more you think about it, how appropriate M. looks as a representative of SBS to the west. Overall he did a pretty successful job I'd say! The question now is: what are we going to do with it? curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lou: > Guru Dev was not a supporter of the caste system. He said he was because he was dealing with the collective consciousness of India. He did wait awhile before taking the seat. As a teacher in a dark age you have to speak the language of the audience. If you don't no one will listen and judgement sets in and people don't like you anymore. He knew that if he said the caste system was not appropriate for spiritual evolution that the people of India would have spit on him. It's a funny business. The teacher ends up being at the mercy of their audience and ends up after death with all kinds of stories and opinions that are either truthful or not. ME: Gandhi was an opponent to the caste system and was,and still is, revered as a saint in India, although not by MMY for his anti-caste position. MMY has spoken in support of the caste system on many occasions. He has also spoken about Guru Dev's support of the caste system. It was part of his job description as Shankaracharya, to uphold the caste system. MMY spent a few lectures in India in 1980 speaking about the value of the caste system. You are arguing a fantasy perspective of MMY with people who have spent (in Rick's case) considerable time with the guy. Lou: I know how Guru Dev feels because as a teacher " I have taught Yoga and meditation since 1995" I can see how people will have their own opinions and judgements about what you say. Me: I've spent a considerable amount of time under a beach umbrella so I know how Guru Dev feels too. You tend to twist what I say around to suit your own thoughts and feelings Rick. You have all the answers. Now-how do we stop all of the violence in the world from manifesting? Please don't give me the non-dualism stuff to avoid answering the question. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/25/2007 9:17:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi FairfieldLife@<WBR>yahoogr FairfieldLife@ > FairOn Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:06 PM > To: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi Fa > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF meets with Bevan > > > > > > Guru Dev is not at all happy with the way MMY is running the organization. I > remember when I worked for Deepak who hired a Tony Robbins sales person to > come in and call people up and try to get them to sign up for his Seductive > Seminar. Guru Dev is not happy with exploiting the teachings for profit. He > would rather see us all work together and unify our commonalities rather than > create more dualism. Remember, it was his master who encouraged him to take the > seat of the Shankacharya. > No it wasn't. He became Shankaracharya when he was 70. His master was long > gone. His master initiated him into Sanyasa at the age of 30 or so. > A soul who have tasted the transcendent has no use in caste systems. > As I understand it, Guru Dev was a staunch supporter of the caste system. > He was uncomfortable with the whole arrangement which he avoided for years. > > How do you know? Did he tell you? > I would seek his blessings and console when trying to deal with feelings > towards MMY. I will always love MMY. The TMO and MMY cannot take away the > profound effect they have had on my life. I will let divine judgment do the > evaluation of MMY and give MMY the space to work out his own evolution. Regardless > if he lies or is motivated solely by money, or he has sexual affairs with > women or whoever is non-of my business. Everyone is evaluated at some point and > given proper guidelines to help them try again to do it better the next time. > I agree with all that. > The unvarnished truth? Well, that you won't find until you give it > completely up to the one without a second. > I'm not talking about that kind of truth. I’m just referring to simple facts > about MMY or the Movement. I don't take a TB point of view, nor to I take a > TM-Ex point of view. If some point about MMY or the TMO comes up, my only > consideration is whether or not it’s true. I don't have an agenda which would > cause me to support one theory or another, in order to preserve some attitude, > positive or negative. There are people on this forum which do that all the > time â€" Nabulous with has “spotless saint†perspective â€" others who don't give > MMY a shred of credit or all the good he’s done. > Leaders from India should work together and all meditate at the same time. > We would have the ME overnight and allow the so called Enlightened masters > such as Amachi, SSRS, Mother Meera and whoever else is out their to create world > peace by working together. By working together. By working together. By > working together. > They are working together. They don’t have to meld their organizations. > And, if enlightened masters cannot work together to create world peace then > it is impossible to create world peace. This is unvarnished truth. Praise the > Lord.Love and Light. Lou Valentino PS: You still haven't answered my > question-" If Amachi's hugs are that powerful then why are you still looking for > the unvarnished truth". Try to answer the question Rick because I'm trying to > answer yours. Your avoidance technique is not working for me. > > > > I don’t understand the question. Or you don’t understand what I mean by “ > unvarnished truth.†I think I explained it above. There’s no reason why my > involvement with Amma should cause me to want to take refuge in fanciful > notions, in order to preserve some emotional attachment. > > > > > > > Guru Dev was not a supporter of the caste system. He said he was because > he was dealing with the > collective consciousness of India. He did wait awhile before taking the > seat. As a teacher in a dark age you have to speak the language of the audience. > If you don't no one will listen and judgement sets in and people don't like > you anymore. He knew that if he said the caste system was not appropriate for > spiritual evolution > that the people of India would have spit on him. It's a funny business. The > teacher ends up being at the mercy of their audience and ends up after death > with all kinds of stories and opinions that are either truthful or not. > > I know how Guru Dev feels because as a teacher " I have taught Yoga and > meditation since 1995" I can see how people will have their own opinions and > judgements about what you say. You tend to twist what I say around to suit your > own thoughts and feelings Rick. You have all the answers. Now-how do we stop > all of the violence in the world from manifesting? Please don't give me the > non-dualism stuff to avoid answering the question. > > Organizations are working together when they are emphasizing meditation at > the exact same time in all of the groups to generate enough silence. Silence > would be the primary aspect that binds all of the spiritual groups together. > They are not doing that now. The spiritual teachers of today are spending most > of their time figuring out how they can raise enough money to keep their own > organizations alive to pay the rent. So many spiritual leaders with their own > thoughts regarding their own experiences of enlightenment have inspired many > people but none of them get along that well. MMY was with Muktananda at one > point and their were pictures taken. MMY had everyone throw away any pictures > of them together. My point: their own traditions do not allow them to merge. > They get caught up in dualism and thinking that the students will be > confused because the paths are different. > > And, most of the teachers know how to sell their traditions well but still > have not found a way for the wars to stop. With Guru Mai it's her magical touch > of the finger or peacock feather, with Amachi it's her magical hugs, with > MMY it's his magical secret mantras, with SSRS it's his magical breathing > technique, with Sathya Sai Baba it's his magical manifestations, with Mother Meera > it's her magical transference of divine light, etc...... And the wars > continue. People are running here and there for the magical experience of > enlightenment and the traditions of India seems to feed on this. I have and still do > participate in many of these traditions but the leaders are not emphasizing > enough that everyone is special not just Avatars or Maharishi's. Everyone is a > leader and the need for people to lead at this point instead of just sitting > back and waiting for enlightenment or for someone else to do it for them is > so vital for world peace. > > The day when all of the teachers from India come together on the same stage > with all of their devotees present will be the day that world peace dawns. I > call this " Simplify the Mind Organization" which brings all forms of > meditation under the same roof and will be inviting all teachers from all traditions > to join in at the same time to meditate together regardless of where they > are. No other teacher has presented this as they are so busy with their own > organizations and techniques. The paths of devotion are coming to an end because > we are moving into > Sat Yuga which will be more obvious from 2008-2012. MMY will pass over, > space ships will be landing in > Fairfield Iowa and a new wave of inspiration will be coming from other races > more advanced than us. The teachers of today are holding everything together > in preparation for an expanded version of how to live life without violence > on this planet. I will be helping the Pleadians introduce this new system of > life as well as many others. Until then, life goes on. As Tom Petty put it in > one of his songs " The waiting is the hardest part". > > Anyway, Rick I know you have all of the answers and I don't want to continue > to feel like I am trying to convince you that anything I say has any truth > to it. I appreciate your responses and look forward to hugging you. Your hug > will be just as valuable as Amachi's is. Lsoma. > <BR><BR><BR><WBR>****<WBR>****<WBR>****<WBR>****<W<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > _http://www.aol.http_ (http://www.aol.com./) > ____________________________________ _Bored stiff?_ (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com) Loosen up... _Download and play hundreds of games for free_ (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com) on Yahoo! Games. > Yes, Guru Dev and MMY speak good things about the caste system only to please the consciousness of India. India in many ways is backwards in progressive thinking. I believe OSHO has written much about how conservative India had become. Guru Dev was approached for years in the jungles and was not comfortable with all of the label stickers. MMY is still holding onto the dogmatic approach because he is a volunteer from the beginning levels of the fifth dimension. The puja is not necessary to initiate someone. I still do it for myself but it only adds more confusion to the public and one of the reasons why TM has lost popularity with the school systems. The Holy Tradition which started about 70,000 years ago in the 2nd Epic of Atlantis did not base their teachings around anyone or anything outside of the Self. MMY is a bit religious. I love the religious aspect because I have both Mercury (Ruler of my Rising) and my Sun in the 9th house. Anyway, it wasn't even called the Vedic tradition until the Aryan race entered India. If you don't believe me then find a person who can read into the Akashic Records. Ask them about the Holy Tradition. Not just the extended version from India but where it started in Atlantis. Again, Enlightened souls have very little care about the labels and are very patient with students who continue to believe that structure has anything to do with pure awareness. In a past life as a politician in India I was against the caste system which creates inequality by emphasising the differences in people. Anywhere where there is the need to feel that someone else is above another is a part of the ego. The Pope comes to mind and his administration. I was killed by a Brahman in that lifetime for speaking up. In the present i visit a Lakshmi temple in Ashland, MA and love the Hindu performances and the devotional quality towards Lakshmi and the other gods. I try not to judge anyone else's level of growth by the caste system. Even Guru Dev or MMY felt the caste system is valuable, I am disagreeing with them. Those who are truly evolved have grown out of the cradles of structure. Lsoma. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
