--- In [email protected], "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis, > > How do we know that this was Jesus' tomb? Can anyone really prove > it?
I agree with you that this has not been proved. I don't know if it is even possible to prove it. Even if you could prove it, this wouldn't make any difference to the Christians who value faith without evidence. There are many Christians who don't believe that his body went to heaven but only his soul, so this wouldn't matter to them either. I just enjoy people discussing it. The death of Jesus was an historical fact. However, the > resurrection of Jesus is based on the belief of the apostles and > their followers. And their conflicting accounts in the advocacy piece, the Bible. Resurrection myths are common in lots of cultures. People love to believe that when someone dies, they are not dead. I am OK with the probability of staying dead so those ideas have little appeal for me. > > The Easter event is not only a commemoration of Jesus resurrection. > It is also an affirmation by Christians that humans too has a stake > into divinity. > > In a sense, Guru Dev's teachings have some similarity to the > Christian dogma. I can't tell if this is a belief that you share yourself. Although I am enthusiastic about my lack of belief in Christianity or Gurus higher insights into imponderable areas of life, if it is working for you, high five man. I am saying that I don't know this stuff and I am skeptical of people who claim to. For me the human condition is becoming comfortable with the fact that we know very little about life and nothing about after death. I have my suspicions though. > > Regards, > > John R. > Thanks for the friendly post. > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > I saw that too and I had it on my video disc so I had Laura flapping > > her gums to high speed too! Funny image. > > > > I was more sympathetic to the Baptist dudes response to Cameron. I > > also think this is the longest of long shots. His insistence that > he > > "knew" about Jesus from the Bible did make me laugh. > > > > I agree that by the time he was debating the other Bible scholar he > > was not as coherent. The phrase from the other scholar that > > "statistics is counterintuitive" gave me a skeptical boner. > > > > I take this kind of discussion of even the remote possibility that > > Jesus did not arise from his grave to be a generally good sign. > This > > is one of the more disturbing beliefs for modern people to have for > > me. It means that any discussion of how they 'know" this is not > going > > to go anywhere. It is my favorite Easter joke made real: > > > > Did you hear they canceled Easter this year? > > > > No, why? > > > > They found the body. > > > > Even hearing people on popular media discuss this gives me so much > > pleasure. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Larry King Live at 9:00 p.m. ET > > > > on Monday, February 26, 2007 > > > > > > > > CNN Tonight: First Lady Laura Bush! > > > > > > > > Laura Bush, from the White House, on her urgent mission > > > > to save America's women from their deadliest killer! > > > > Plus, how is her husband handling the stress of being > > > > commander in chief of an increasingly unpopular war? > > > > > > > > Then, an explosive announcement today by 'Titanic' > > > > director James Cameron that's setting off > > > > passionate debate among Christians around the world! > > > > Have they found the tomb where Jesus was buried? > > > > James Cameron claims the tomb may have held > > > > Jesus' bones - and evidence Jesus had a son! > > > > But, if Jesus was resurrected would > > > > there even be earthly remains? > > > > The debate heats up! > > > > > > I'm watching my recording of this show. I can't report > > > any impressions of Laura Bush other than the hilarity of > > > funny how her flapping lips look when fast-forwarded, but > > > I'm now watching the segment on Jim Cameron and Simcha > > > Jacobovici and their film. > > > > > > T'would seem that the "DNA evidence" they quote indicates > > > that the body in the tomb marked 'Jesus' and the body in > > > the tomb marked 'Mary Amene' (Mary Magdalene) are not related > > > by DNA matrilinearly. Therefore, if they are buried in the > > > same family tomb, it is likely that they were married. > > > > > > The "statistical evidence" they seem to rely on is just that. > > > If one were to be on a crowded street in ancient Jerusalem > > > and call out the name "Jesus," there is a 4% chance that some- > > > one named Jesus would be there. Similarly, if one were to call > > > out the name "Mary," there would be a 25% chance of finding a > > > Mary. But as the statistician explains, if we were to call out > > > the names "Jesus," "Mary," "Joseph," "Matthew," and "Josei" > > > at the same time, the chances of all of those people being in > > > the same location are quite low. > > > > > > A Southern Baptist minister they cut to embarrassed himself > > > thoroughly with his lack of understanding of DNA evidence, > > > and his bristling, kneejerk defense of something (his beliefs) > > > that had not even been challenged. Cameron replied calmly, and > > > without making any claims one way or another. He did what many > > > do here on Fairfield Life, and allowed the kneejerker to rant > > > on, merely pointing out at the end that what he was ranting > > > *about* was a film that he had never seen. (Sound familiar?) > > > > > > The SoBap minister finally got into a raging argument with > > > another Biblical scholar who had written a number of books > > > on this subject. The president of the Catholic League con- > > > ducted himself much better at first, saying that he "wanted > > > to see the evidence," but then he pulled a Judy Stein and > > > trotted out some bad reviews of Simcha's past documentaries > > > in an attempt to undermine his credibility. He then lost it > > > heavily, and a calm, collected Simcha Jacobovici had to > > > remind him (and the audience) that "Screaming doesn't make > > > something true." > > > > > > Me, I don't know what the final film will report, and unlike > > > The Blindfolded Film Critic, won't speculate on it without > > > having seen it myself, but it sure seems likely that this > > > TV broadcast will draw out crazies of all sorts, and allow > > > them to display that craziness in prime time and on the pages > > > of every newspaper and magazine. > > > > > > It'll be a veritable phenomenon. Think of it as the whole > > > world suddenly resembling the petty, kneejerk arguments we > > > see on Fairfield Life all too often. Surely this must be > > > some facet of the ME at work. > > > > > >
