--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Vaj - Striving and effort presents an obstacle in TM, Tibetan Dzogchen > > and the practice of Soto Zen. In fact, striving is counterproductive. > > According to the Buddha himself, enlightenment cannot be achieved by > > striving. Here's a quote from a Tibetan Buddhist teacher of Dzogchen, > > who also seems to indicate that you are mistaken. > > > I made no comments on Dzogchen, we were discussing Lawson's TM dogmas > of effort vs. effortlessness. Sogyal Rinpoche does state it nicely. > > The key to understanding this from a Patanjali POV is to understand > the difference between samprajnata samadhi, cognitive samadhi and > asamprajnata or acognitive samadhi. The former relies on alambanas or > supports (or "supportive factors"). In samprajnata the mind needs an > object--either a gross or a subtle one. The objects can be any of the > 24 forms of gross and subtle matter or an incarnation of god, etc. > These all require effort or subtle effort, usually this involves a > "meditator" (one deciding to meditate), a process of meditation (a > process) and an object of that meditation (e.g. a mantra). Achieving > a calm or transcendent state, where these three unite somewhat, from > such means, is effortful even if one successfully transcends as one > is still stuck in a subtle chain of action. One has not transcended > action or karma. >
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