--- In [email protected], off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, what kind of born-again fanatic goes to all the the trouble > of compiling something of so little significance?
One might as well ask, "What kind of fanatics would go to the trouble of *saying* stuff like this in the first place, and for years, and to people whose only real sin is to believe something different than they believe?" > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume II (6 February 2007) > > > > Again, the beliefs of long-term TMers (20 to 35+ years > > of daily TM practice), in *their own words*, as repre- > > sented by what they said in the posts to which they > > replied on one Internet forum during the last two and > > a half days (since the posting of Volume I). > > > > And again, I post the quotes without attribution, > > because in my opinion the quotes and their authors > > are pretty much interchangeable in the ways in which > > they represent common TMer mindsets and states of > > attention. I apologize for the lack of context, but > > the challenge of collecting the quotes while holding > > down a full-time job was taxing enough. If you are > > interested in determining the author of any of the > > quotes, and the context in which he or she wrote the > > quote, please use Yahoo's 'Advanced Search' feature > > on the Web version of this forum: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch_adv > > > > In general, the people being talked about disparagingly > > below are those who have dared to be critical of TM, > > the TM organization, and/or Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on > > this forum in the past. Other than occasional comments > > to explain context or who or what is being discussed, > > none of the words below are mine. And I make no comment > > on any of these quotes, other than having chosen them > > for inclusion here. The reader is free to draw his or > > her own conclusions. > > > > ****************************************************** > > > > "S [TM critic} has created a big problem for himself, > > prematurely taking on the nickname 'V', making him > > resistant to any suggestion that he has more to learn. > > It is his problem, and no matter how much he argues > > with himself on this forum, not likely to resolve > > itself soon. The stupidity of his small self encases > > him like barbed wire." > > > > Same person: "Jewish proverb: 'Listen to your enemy, > > for God is talking.'" > > > > Replying to: "...it's well known that any meditation > > that uses an object will, by it's very nature, require > > some subtle effort since they all rely on some kind of > > technique." -- "It's well known, save to those of us who > > were content to keep to our original practice, rather > > than seek something 'better.'" > > > > "V [TM critic] has an agenda or is confused, or both. > > I do not understand why anyone bothers to answer him." > > > > "What is sad is that some unestablished souls, newcomers > > on the Path, could be confused by the negativity [on this > > forum]. Though I think they judge the Path by experience > > more than rubbish written on forums like this." > > > > "99% of what B [TM critic] says in these rants is due to > > his coffee addiction, and shouldn't be taken seriously. > > He has over a decade's worth of empty experience in > > which he has learned to craft an argument on-line > > (applause for the little boy!). He adds his coffee > > addiction to this and spins many fanciful and empty > > stories." > > > > Same person: "'Am I not destroying my enemies when I make > > friends of them?' -Abraham Lincoln" > > > > "This fellow [TM critic] has an agenda. To sow dissention, > > perhaps he is making a buck or two on this. He is not > > really dangerous to anyone but himself because his > > motivs are so obvious." > > > > "From your many misdescriptions of TM, V [TM critic], you > > couldn't have 'abandoned' the original practice because > > you were never practicing TM to begin with, but rather > > your misunderstanding of it." > > > > "That's right. But fellows like 'V' [TM critic] will never > > get this. People like him will always try to complicate, > > sow dissention. Their world is simple in the sense of; we > > know what we have but not what we will get. They hate the > > whole idea of self-realization. Self realized ? Without > > the church, without the Government ? No Sir !" > > > > Regarding a purported quote by Maharishi saying that TM > > was not completely effortless: "Who the hell knows? We > > can't possibly tell without context. R can't provide a > > verbatim transcript, and we can't just accept without > > question his interpretation of a long-ago lecture illus- > > trated by a quote that has no meaning out of context." > > > > And in a followup, about that same quote: "*Of course* > > there was a context. He didn't just sit there and suddenly > > come up with the quote and then start talking about > > something completely different. 'A lecture about the > > effortlessness of TM' is nowhere near adequate context to > > fathom the meaning of the quote. Don't you know what > > 'context' means?" > > > > "...former TMers like V [TM critic] disdainfully insist that > > there's effort involved [in TM] and that TMers are lying > > about it, while getting a bunch of things about what MMY > > teaches disastrously, unequivocally wrong, demonstrating > > that they don't know what the hell they're talking about." > > > > "So do you and B [TM critics] have the guts to deviate from > > your 'TMers are just mindlessly repeating the dogma they've > > been taught' tape loop and incorporate the possibility that > > they're telling you what their personal experience is?" > > > > "This V [TM critic] is lost in his own delusion and agenda. > > He does not digest what you write, nor does he want to. > > According to L, fellows like him might well be evicted to a > > more suitable place by our Space Brothers, where he will be > > amongst fellowmen, a place where negativity will abound. > > He is begging for it to happen." > > > > "Any TMer who worries about 'trying to GET to samadhi' > > is OFF THE PROGRAM." > > > > "V [TM critic], you're right! (Hindusism IS different than > > Buddhism) [Tibetan teacher]'s teachings are ineffective, > > since they operate only in the 25% highest level of the > > subtle planes. TM operates on all levels, and the Transcendent. > > Your statement that physical purification is unimportant > > is a feeble attempt to obfuscate the issues; out of > > jealously in regard to MMY's brilliant, pioneering ideas > > in the topic of stress release, and due to the fact that > > [Tibetan teacher]'s techniques are solely 'subtle body' > > techniques, having little impact on the physical." > > > > "Even more fascinating, to me at least, is someone like > > you who hasn't taught or practiced TM in decades and who > > still considers himself an authority on the subject. Is > > it coffee, or full blown delusion speaking fer ya? Where > > do you get off on calling others on their supposed trips > > when you are so out of it?" > > > > "I can see you talk to yourself as you type and, once > > every thirty seconds or so, wipe your spit off the screen." > > > > A long-term TM practioner who considers himself to be > > fully Self Realized, on having so many of his quotes > > included here: "You are adept at making truth into lies." > > > > The same fully Self Realized person: "As to my asking > > questions regarding being clueless, this tells me that > > you are not established in Self realization, because you > > see it as a static state, as someone in waking state, > > i.e. bondage, would." > > > > Same Self Realized individual: "Fifty bucks says he [TM > > critic] NEVER EVER quotes the recent posts from TT and A > > that showed him to be who he really is! LOL! So its a > > very selective showing by Detective Tantrum of FFL." > > > > In response to: "If MMY really believes in the ability > > of the ME ["Maharishi Effect"] to inflence the stock > > market, why doesn't he take advantage of market trends > > by manipulating the numbers attending his assemblies?" > > -- "Because Maharishi is not in it for the money." > > > > "Ha-Ha! I just realized that you have definite criteria > > that you ascribe to Self realized beings! I can assume > > that the selective posts you will be quoting from me go > > counter to this list of criteria! You are making my day! > > Please, B [TM critic], let's see THE LIST! LOL!!!!!!!!!! > > -->THE LIST<-- Did anyone else catch this? Unbelievable. > > Hey B, should I change what I say so that I appear Realized > > to you? How about what I wear? Any suggestions? I wouldn't > > want to appear un-Realized, especially to you! LOL! > > Please share that list of TMer actions or whatever soon, > > so that we will all know to shy away from such > > 'UNENLIGHTENED' actions!!! Man, I'm cracking myself up..." > > > > Trying to demonize a TM critic: "He's made 27 posts in > > about a day and a half." Then, a few minutes later: > > "Before B goes on a counting binge of his own, my total > > for the same period was 36--but that's pretty standard > > for me." > > > > Posted by the Self Realized person: "Yes V [TM critic], > > continue to obscure Reality with lots of intellectualizing > > and nitpicking...I can't think of much that is less > > practical than that...however, to each his own." > > > > An exchange between two TMers about a TM critic, after > > both had just written several posts each in a thirty > > minute period demonizing him and calling him names: > > -- "What do you think it is that makes B assume that > > anyone who challenges him is doing so because what he's > > said makes them 'uptight'?" > > -- "Paranoia, I suppose." > > > > "Think you can psychoanalyze me do you T [TM critic]. You > > will get lost and terrified to death in the labiryth that > > will engulf you if you venture into the realm. My reaction > > was to do with the clear lack of rational thought and real- > > world experience connected to the statement that immediately > > preceded the word 'Bull' [the entire contents of his previous > > post]. Your Dalai Lama trip is just silly. The Dalai Lama is > > not trying to create a sea-change in the subtle structure > > of world consciousness. He is out to meet people and smile > > a lot and wave the peace sign. Big deal. Try meeting the > > Pope, see how far you get." > > > > Same person: "I think people like you that seek out personal > > attention from a teacher are like spoilt children. I couldn't > > care less about it, because it is the TECHNIQUE and knowledge > > that counts. If it is not, then Maharishi's whole philosophy > > is wrong. Therefore, he does not emphasise personal attention > > as being important." > > > > "Well, he's [TM critic] feeling very besieged right now, > > which freaks him out, so he has to cut his 'enemies' down > > to size in his own mind. He does that by imagining that > > they're 'uptight' because whatever he said was so > > threatening to them, rather than acknowledging to himself > > that they're laughing at him because he's such a fool, > > which would be unendurable. He makes himself feel more > > powerful that way." > > > > "Oddly, through his persistence B [TM critic] has again > > become a teacher of TM. Perhaps not in the way he was > > originally instructed to do, but still we ought to feel > > good that the knowledge of TM is being spread, in whatever > > form. Thanks also to those who post the oddly named "TM > > Free Blog" all about TM and Maharishi. Even if we are > > quoted out of context, there are probably those people > > where B will post these quotes who's curiousity will be > > piqued, and they will find legitimate sites of TM > > information. I know when my mind has been thirsty for > > information, I have eventually found what I have been > > looking for, no matter how it appeared initially. As the > > expression goes, 'there is no such thing as bad publicity.'" > > > > To a TM critic he's never met or seen: "Moving images of > > frothing old men with their hair on end manically hacking > > away on a keyboard with scary organ music in the background > > may scare youngsters." > > > > "V {TM critic] isn't intellectualizing - he's just > > bullshitting. By the evidence fwd by himself on this > > list V really doesn't know what TM is about. Even by > > rhetorical standards his post is just bs. He is > > criticizing a teaching he knows nothing about by > > sniping at a second hand reference to a post offering > > a brief summary of what Maharishi ones said on a tape. > > It's just plain silly draped in a thick layer of > > pompous-ness." > > > > On being told that his quotes were being posted to even > > more forums than before: "Great ! Can't wait to see my > > pearls of wisdom, my sword of justice, pop up everywhere." > > > > "Given that it's impossble to innocently and seriously > > discuss TM related issues on this forum without risking > > being assaulted by Illuminatis, Freemasons, Satanists, > > Christian fundamentalists, etc my question is: where do > > people who (1) regularly practice TM, and (2) are quite > > happy with it, go to yell at each other?" > > >
