--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > How many newsgroups and forums have 
> > you posted your stuff to, Unc?
> 
> Only seven. So far.
> 
> Here, four large Unix listservs, and two 
> Google (Usenet) groups. Oh, and today I 
> provided links to the FFL versions on 
> TM-Free, so that their readers can read 
> for themselves the ways in which strong, 
> long-term TMers react to those who speak 
> critically of TM, the TM organization, 
> and Maharishi.
> 
> That's the point, y'know. If these repre-
> sentative TMers had contented themselves
> with responding only to the *ideas* that 
> these TM critics proposed, without trying 
> to systematically demonize them, there 
> would have been nothing for me to collect 
> up and publish.
> 
> But that's not the case, is it? The first 
> two issues of THINGS TMers BELIEVE catalog 
> some of the ways that strong TMers react 
> to ideas that run counter to their own over 
> a period of no more than NINE DAYS.
> 
> Just imagine the things I'll be able to 
> collect and publish as this series goes on...


Just to point out the effectiveness (IMO) 
of this approach, in which I say nothing
critical of TM, the TM organization, Maharishi,
or even the TMers who are attacking me and 
others on this forum (other than to post their 
*own* quotes, in their *own* words, that is), 
here's a preview of a few quotes -- made since 
last night, in the space of only a few hours -- 
that will be included in the next issue of 
THINGS TMers BELIEVE:

The person who wrote at least 30% of the quotes in this 
series comments: "No sane person spends time compiling 
things like this. It's beyond right or wrong - it's 
pathological. Get a life. Now."

Same person: "Yawn, I don't keep track of every muse 
of the twisted meanderings of a mega-poster, I just 
rattle in now and again with something rational. Not 
something you seem to have a flare for if you think I 
fell into his so called 'trap'.......OOOooooooo."

"Wow, what kind of born-again fanatic goes to all the 
trouble of compiling something of so little significance?"

"Good point ! This B fellow seems to be oneofakind.
It's alkohol, no ? B seems to enjoy the cheap french 
vino..."

"He's [TM critic, the compiler of this list of quotes]
never been able to handle challenges to his opinions; 
his freakouts typically occur when he's been getting 
more opposition than usual. This time I think there's 
just been too much of it for him to deal with. Whether 
alcohol is exacerbating things, who knows?"

To a person he's never met, in *any* city, but who
compiled this list of quotes, many of which are his:
"Besides, I am pissed off that my post that said that 
I saw you staggering along on the streets of Paris, 
clutching an almost empty bottle of wine, and mumbling 
over and over something about 'TM bastards'......that 
post never made the list."

"I think he [the compiler of this list, on which her 
quotes appear consistently, and about which quotes he 
has made absolutely no comment] may be having a breakdown. 
He's always had periodic freakouts, but I've never seen 
him in such a manic, irrational tizzy."

Same person: "Wanted to add that I'm pretty sure B 
doesn't behave like this [that is, quoting *her* words
and those of others like her] in his everyday life. 
Internet forums are an outlet so that he *doesn't* 
behave like a monster otherwise."

Same person, after writing dozens of lines 'analyzing'
the person who had done nothing more than quote her, 
and other TMers like her, and who didn't respond to her 
'analysis' except to collect more of her quotes: "I'm 
sure he'll 'intuit' some conclusions about me right back. 
Y'all can decide which of us has the clearer mind..."

Another TMer often quoted in this series, this time one 
who describes himself as fully Self Realized, replying 
to the above: "You have demonstrated time and time again 
to have an exceptionally clear mind."

On the suggestion that these issues be archived: "Good 
idea. Then any rational person looking at it in the future 
will be able to conclude the extent of the ego-centrical 
nature of the posessed anti-TM fanatics. Believe me, any 
person of insight will quickly conclude that this is a 
fundamentalists fanaticism ranting at a group of fairly 
reasonable people who have normal civilized disagreements 
and bantor with each other."

Responding to the person who suggested that this series
of quotes be archived (two different long-term TMers): 
-- "You just outed yourself, R." -- "Just what I was 
thinking. Moral vacuum time."

Responding to a person who had said: "No one has any higher 
moral ground here." -- "Only someone who, like R [founder 
of the TM-related forum on which criticism of TM is allowed],
is living in a moral vacuum could say such a thing. P.S. Sod 
off."



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