--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> In a message dated 3/10/07 12:12:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> And how many  american lives lost when you spent a
> trillion dollars on an unjustifiable  war rather than on health 
care
> for civilian and military , education and  job training, pensions 
and
> the many mentally ill homeless, the  environment?
> 
>  
> Answer to  question 1 is Zero. Answer to question 2 is also Zero. 
And this is 
> what really  pisses off the left, not that Soldiers are risking 
life and limb 
> for them but  the money being used could be buying all kinds of 
Socialist 
> programs.   
> Education,  the environment, and health are socialist programs? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Universal healthcare for civilians, is socialism. Education and 
job  training 
> beyond what the states already normally provide is socialism. 
Federal  take 
> over of pensions is socialism. Government care of the mentally is  
socialism, 
> although it is a good and compassionate idea to help provide for  
those who 
> can't provide for themselves. Nobody wants to see those that  
can't take care of 
> themselves turned out on their  own. 

I think some reasonable attention could be put on our social 
programs without having to resort to charges of socialism. Anymore 
than calling the expanding military/industrial complex fascism.

As a self-employed consultant I pay nearly $200/mo. for minimal 
health care coverage, just for me. A decent plan is ~$400/mo. Who 
can afford that? Also, the schools in California are now 49th or 
something in the nation, after being ranked near the top for years, 
but the funding has been gutted to the point where teachers must buy 
their own supplies, and the education budget is supplemented by the 
state lottery. A disgrace.

And you refer to Federal take over of pensions. Who in the private 
sector gets a pension these days? I don't know one person who does. 

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