--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
>
> > 
> > It's also true. Just pay attention to what the
> > people who have reacted to this strongly actually 
> > *say* on this forum. Then pay attention to the ones
> > who actually have something *to* say. 'Nuff said.
> 
> Two points.
> 
> First, "the people who..." is another of Barry's thinly
> veiled codes for "Judy."
> 
> Second, what nobody here seems to understand is that
> it's *Barry* who gets to determine whather what "people"
> (that is, "Judy") say here is "something" or not.

I am sympathetic to your being a regular victim of baiting -- by a
Master. I am less sympathetic in that you usually take the bait.

I am baffled by your statement above. Your posts' and their logic
usually are quite clear. What I understand is Barry expressed his
opinion. He is not the spokesman for the group in any manner. Beyond
his own views, Barry doesn't get to determine anything in FFL, much
less if the group feels you have something to say or not.  

> Not Rory, nor claudiouk, nor trinity, nor Alex, nor
> feste, nor any of the others who have risked crossing
> Barry to say they enjoy my posts (not to mention those
> who have contacted me privately).
 
> Their views don't count.  Only Barry's does.

Again baffled. Why don't their views count? Everyone can freely
express an opinion. And all the opinions are not even a vote or
referendum.  And even if it were, its clearly not one "determining
truth". It would be like an opinion poll. A poll determines what
people are thinking, not if their thinking corresponds to truth or
reality.

I hardly let Barry make my opinions. I am sure no one else does. I may
listen politely to some of his arguments, but I evaluate things on my
own. As does everyone.

On the broader point of not addressing a persons traits, hangups,
percieved flaws, etc, but rather focus on the content of the post, to
aviod inciting flame wars: both you and Barry have two violations
today. Not severe ones, but this is leading up to the so old flame war
dynamic. Thus I suggest to the moderators:

1) Solve the problem at its root. Put Barry and Judy on suspension (no
posts) for 3 days. Limit them to 5 posts a day for several weeks upon
their return

2) For non violators, raise the limit to 10 posts per day -- thus
allowing creative insightful back and forth exchanges of new ideas
that do not (usually) lead to flame wars.




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