--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Lurk, I have to disagree about the decent father
> thing. I listened to his tirade. He's a narcissistic
> asshole. 

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OK, this is your field.  I do have three kids, 10, 11, & 14, so 
that's a perspective as well.  Sounds like he was being manipulated 
by his ex, and the daughter participated by choice, or more likely 
with some abetting by the mother.  But, I can tell you from direct 
experience, that at some point your kid(s) will be disrespectful, 
and when you feel you have been there for them, it drives you a 
little crazy.  Certainly, he could have handled it better.  But for 
the courts to disallow a visit - I don't see that.  I didn't see him 
taking it any further than just this screaming.  And parents, even 
the best, most patient, will on occasion scream at their kids.

lurk
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