"Ignorance is only apparent, it isn't real" - I know, fundamentally and philosophically this is supposed to be so and yes one can appreciate the "cleverness" in that magical trick - it's only a rope that appears like a snake etc; but experientially suffering is real enough. The deception then becomes not playful but unimaginably cruel. And there is just smugness in the philosophy, no real compassion, unfortunately. It's voyeurism on the part of the Self - witnessing like in a peep show, at safe distance, whilst the whole of creation is left languishing in despair..
--- In [email protected], "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quick comment below: > > ** > > --- In [email protected], "claudiouk" <claudiouk@> > wrote: > > > > "'So both diversification and unification ... when the two come to > > awareness then the hiding, the cover, also comes to awareness. So > the > > cover is uncovered." This is the mechanics of how we get suffering > > and the elimination of suffering. But suffering still dominates in > > the Relative, like a flowing river; the elimination of suffering is > > by contrast a drop by drop process, so on balance venturing into > the > > Relative is utter stupidity. There is something rather perverse in > > the idea that you have unity, diversity and the COVERING in the > first > > place. Why not unity, diversity and total CLARITY instead? That way > > unity is never lost whatever the experience in the relative, bliss > > overriding any possibility of suffering, and thus all would be > well. > > The cover that needs uncovering is the ROOT of suffering and it has > > nothing to do with our own karma after all!! It is a flaw in > Unity.. > > right? > > > > You say ignorance is part of totality - but totality INCLUDES non- > > ignorance which you would expect to OVERWHELM ignorance. Whereas > the > > experience of Nature - apart from a few fortunate individuals here > > and there - is that non-ignorance has the upper hand. If the > > INTENTION is to expand happiness via the Relative these mechanics > > simply insure that the outcome inevitably is a FAILURE!! One has to > > question, therefore, the intelligence or sanity at the root of > > creation.. > > > **snip to end** > > But that's the glory of Maya; somehow the boundless, timeless, > nothing-else-but-that, " forgets". Somehow it appears as if we have > forgotten who we are (even though we never do and never have). > Ignorance is only apparent, it isn't real; it just seems real at the > time. But you are outside of time; you just "think" that you've > forgotten. >
