> --- In [email protected], "claudiouk" <claudiouk@> wrote: > > > > Both of you are looking at the Relative in a rather upbeat way, > > perhaps reflecting transient (for most mortals) blissful moods > > (maybe states or permanent stations in your cases??).
For me a mood is a state of consciousness, and vice versa. I find we can generally select whatever mood/state of consciousness we wish (taking into account the various particles of the bodymind which may object, and engaging them into an integrity or synthesis), and on that basis, we find the senses then gather information to support and uphold and perpetuate that particular state or mood. Doesn't > > help the wilderbeast being tormented to death by lions or some > > innocent 16-year old in Pakistan having acid thrown in her face > > because in love with a Hindu or not wearing full Islamic dress. > > Take a snapshot of the WHOLE of Nature and all there is, 99.99 > > of it, is suffering. This appears to be an example of the senses gathering data to support one particular preselected, a-priori mood. There also appears to be a lot of supposition here. Who knows whether the wildebeest is "tormented" by the lions? IIRC people who have been (partially) eaten by tigers and then escaped, reported a feeling of euphoria during the process. All we can really *know* is our own state. I find if I take steps to attend to the root suffering inside, and heal it, my outer world changes correspondingly. Looking to (and at) the outer for anything other than a perfect mirror of the bodymind and perfect unfoldment of my own preselected state/mood, constitutes attachment and suffering. <snip> > > Maybe the flaw in Unity > > is an inherent madness - well, who would NOT go mad in total > > isolation? Put anyone in solitary confinement with sensory > > deprivation and they will hallucinate and create nightmares for > > themselves. That's the real story perhaps - a madness without cure. > > It goes on FOREVER because even when it transcends time it ends up > > recreating it all over again. There is no sense in a creation which > > just gives suffering to everyone. Either God is mad, bad or just a > > fool - so much (supposed) intelligence in the geometry and sequence > > of laws of nature but then making a total mess with the experiment. TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're starting to "get" why Catharism so appealed > to the people of the Middle Ages. It was a tough > time, man. We're talking wars, plagues, poverty, > and all of the torments of Hell, unless you were > privileged enough to be born noble. And even then... > > So one of the things that appealed to the medieval > mind about Dualism was that God *wasn't* responsible > for the mess that they saw around them on a daily > basis. The phenomenal world had been created by the > Other Guy, the demiurge, by Satan, by the False > Jehovah. The world didn't just "look" like a gnarly > place because we didn't understand The Unfathomable > Workings Of God. It *was* a gnarly place, designed > by a dude from The Other Place, the *opposite* to > spirit. > ><snip> YES! This is what I meant when I said there is a place inside where the Purusha deeply hates and fears the Prakriti, and vice versa. Coming upon the Purusha's utterly helpless imprisonment within the bodymind-world-prakriti stymied me for a moment, as this seemed to be the ultimate demonic Hell. Then I remembered the approach which has generally worked for me in the past: When I meet a demon, I embrace it. Since the demon here seemed to be the whole of physical creation, I embraced it. Wow! Just under that horror of separation/hate was the passionate Understanding of the intimacy of the world as my body, as my LOVE! *L*L*L*
