--- In [email protected], "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A lot of good points have been made about ways of handling suffering > eg Marek's concerning putting the attention away from suffering, on > attention itself - hence manage to transcend suffering; or by > embracing suffering/demons eg Rory or Jim. I can see the wisdom in > all this. Am also impressed with some of the reported experiences. > > Raging against the clouds will not make the sun shine back any > sooner. In the end we seem to have to do the rope trick in reverse - > pretend the snake is just a rope.
Or pretend that the rope is really a snarling snake. > Become more immune to it at any > rate. For instance raging anger needs to subside into indifference or > equanimity, in order for us to transcend duality. Go deep into the tunnel of anger and sadness and the light at the end of it is not indifference. > This is where a > leap of faith is required, at least before enlightenment - that this > is not just wishful thinking, that goodness can and will overcome > evil in the end. The premise in all of this is that suffering is the natural state, the core of it all. Maybe evil has only temporarily overtaken goodness -- the core. > However my focus was on the dynamics of Unity giving RISE to creation > as discussed in recent webcast conferences - the rope/snake comment > by MMY, the risposte by Hagelin concerning different perspectives of > his Unity equations. And the inherent "covering" of ignorance and > forgetfulness MMY noted between silence and dynamism. > > So on the one hand we have the view of creation arising from the > precise, sequential unfoldment of the Laws of Nature reputedly > working "without problems" - excuse me, what about suffering, was my > question. Where is the unifiedfield chart connecting physics with > moral philosophy, karma etc? And what evidence is there in nature of > moral values anyway? Maybe you / we see suffering everywhere because we are in a localized "hell" and the vaster realm of things is more towards heaven -- the happiness/suffering ration approaching larger numbers
