--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > And here is where my take on it all diverges fron Unc's, Not a 
> > > better view, not a view i am debating, just a different view.  
> > > "The mind is drawn to ever-increasing levels of bliss INWARDS." 
> > > Inwards is the key word in my mind. Inwards towards that inner 
> > > Ocean of Bliss. Not outwards dancing around licking the drops 
> > > from the morning dew.
> > 
> > That's the way it is for many people in the 
> > beginning. But Tantra offers other possibilities.
> > It really IS the same bliss, whether it's "inside"
> > or "outside." And one can pursue it on either plane,
> > or both.
> 
> Thats the point, or similar point, that I made in the next two
> paragraphs of the piece you quote from.  That the bliss is the same,
> inner and outer. (and as I tried to futher elaborate in other posts
> today, the inner bliss is related to neurotransmittor functioning 
> and
> many things / activities / substances can have a hand in creating
> those NT transformation.) But relying ONLY on the outer dew drops
> limits life. Acqaducting the ocean to the garden is a much deeper 
> and happier way live (imo). 
> 
> "..the outer dew drops of bliss. 
> Which are good things too. Especially when infused with the INNER
> bliss. Playing in the morning dew is a great thing. But its play. To
> me, its was the minor thing, swimming in the INNER ocean
> was the major thing. And FUSING the two, creating aquaducts from the
> inner ocean to the outer garden of morning dew drops -- that was the
> REAL thing, the real challenge and life undertaking. Not to spend 
> life only licking those few dew drops in the garden."

I think we're agreed on the main point that the
bliss of Self is as "available" in the "outer"
world as it is in the "inner" world via meditation
and other techniques. My only reason for replying 
was to point out that IMO coming to believe that
approaching that bliss of Self via the "inner" path
is somehow "better" than approaching it via the
"outer" path is JUST as much a delusion and JUST as
much a trap as those who believe that bliss can be
achieved only by licking the dewdrops. 



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