--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 23, 2007, at 11:49 AM, John Davis wrote: > > > The concept/fact of the TM mantras being older than the Hindu > > religion, and so also older than the gods named after them, > > which might then be seen as personalisations of a pre-existing > > sound, makes a good deal of sense to me. > > Unfortunately, it is untrue. The mantras all come from ancient > tantric traditions and are related to the gods they are associated > with up to this day. TM mantras are not vedic, they are tantric.
Of course, as Vaj knows, nobody here told John that the mantras were "Vedic." As Vaj is also aware, nobody knows exactly when or how the bija mantras originated, or whether they were associated with deities from the very beginning. He has, in other words, absolutely *zero* basis for claiming it's "untrue"--except to suggest, knowingly falsely, that TMers are liars.
