---Vaj, I know you're heavily into "tradition" but there's something 
called "new knowledge"; but ultimately, the idea is to seek the 
truth, whether from tradition, authorities, Scriptures, one's own 
experience, heresay evidence;...better yet, everything together with 
one's own experience at the top of the list.  This separates the true 
Gnostics from the TB.
 I see no reason to separate karma from stress and say it's only 
karma.  Why not get rid of the bad karma AND the stress, on all 
levels.  It's not an either/or proposition, unless one's Guru is only 
adept at helping you one one level and not another.

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On May 25, 2007, at 9:23 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > > This just verifies what I've stated here numerous times, that 
the
> > TM
> > > myth of physical stress release from the physical nervous system
> > was
> > > fallacious. Where stress is being released is in the pranic body
> > or
> > > vajra body. It is the pranic body that evolves.
> > >
> >
> > I don't understand the inconsistency between MMY's position, 
your's,
> > and Muktananda's.
> >
> > Whether it's the "pranic body or vajra body" (although I'm not 
sure
> > what "vajra body" is), isn't that still on the relative level?
> > Whether it's actual physical body or subtle, the stress (or 
karma) is
> > still stored there and has to be released.
> 
> Karma is what tradition would state, not "stress". Generally one  
> would practice a technique to resolve the karmic eddies that still  
> exist in the pranic body. Once practicing such a technique, then 
one  
> can follow various signs to see how that's working. MMY's position 
is  
> a marketable one, that's all, otherwise it's utterly fallacious 
and  
> misleading. Muktananda just touches on some basics, but does give 
an  
> idea of what is involved.
>


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