"A few years ago, I was leafing through a psychology book which discussed a concept called hynogogia. This was supposed to be a state between the dreaming and waking consciousness. Although the book was not about meditation, the book describes some of the attributes of the hynogogic state. It may the same as to what you just described."
This is an excellent point. It also points out that humans have learned a few things about states of consciousness since classical Vedic times. I have spent a lot of time in this state and taking the content of experiences in that state may not be the best way to understand what there states mean. Even though we are still just beginning to understand human consciousness, I think it is important to include what people have learned in modern times and not approach the subject as if it was already completely understood in the past in some magical Vedic civilization. I would think that a serious understanding of consciousness should also include what is known from hypnosis instead of just dismissing one type of hypnosis as if there is only one type. Ancient traditions of meditation add a lot to the party. But assessing what the states mean may not be best understood from the perspective of cultures who were relying on metaphors more than empirical data. Posturing from a position of "complete knowledge" only hurts the growth of understanding. Science is still fumbling with the basic terms for hypnotic states and this is appropriate. I think this humility would serve spiritual traditions as well concerning what they "know" about human consciousness. --- In [email protected], "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> > wrote: > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <shempmcgurk@> wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > "matrixmonitor" > > > <matrixmonitor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I believe the "Blue Pearl" bindu is mentioned in > > > the Markandeya > > > > Purana. MMY's book "The Play of Consciousness" > > > was first called "The > > > > Blue Pearl". M. describes out he was able to > > > travel out of his body > > > > riding the Blue Pearl. > > > > Also, M. stated that the Blue Pearl offered him a > > > Siddhi of > > > > immediately discerning the "level" (meditation > > > level in terms of > > > > experience, Kundalini, etc) of persons who came > > > before him. > > > > Since I bowed directly before him on numerous > > > occasions, I wonder > > > > what his Blue Pearl told him. Probably not much!. > > > (maybe it was > > > > silent - that would be an interesting twist). > > > > I also persuaded Charlie Lutes to visit > > > Muktananda when the latter > > > was > > > > in Santa Monica; but I seriously doubt that > > > Charlie would bow all the > > > > way to the ground before M. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd be very curious to know: has anyone on this > > > forum had an experience > > > of the Blue Pearl? > > > > Yes. We had a discussion about it several years ago. > > The blue pearl is a bindu. A point of entry into some > > sort of loka of consciousness. Brilliant blue "spark" > > in awareness that opens up with golden light pouring > > out surrounded by a blue rim. When it completely opens > > there's an entire celestial creation inside. Another > > world filled with interesting looking dudes and > > dudettes. The bindu is simply the entry point of your > > attention entering that level of creation. Iron chains > > or golden chains, there both chains! > > A few years ago, I was leafing through a psychology book which > discussed a concept called hynogogia. This was supposed to be a > state between the dreaming and waking consciousness. Although the > book was not about meditation, the book describes some of the > attributes of the hynogogic state. It may the same as to what you > just described. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in > your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > >
