Maybe for clarity's sake, I will offer an overview of what has taken place so far. I started posting here about my experiences with another Guru but my background is coming from TM so similar to many of you here.
I am claiming that there is clarity all around where I am, and it therefore evens brings in clarity where one didn't even know that there wasn't clarity, and this confusion is existing in TM and other meditation groups these days. Then I go into some of the details such as - as seva, I am bringing in a perspective to a group which challenges the party line of what is delivered. So, I am saying that there are things lacking and then offering a pointing where these things can be filled. Then I go on and lay out what it is I am promoting to bring about the clarity. Now again, I state that I am not proting Swami G as persona, but rather Sat Guru, which is one. That is one thing I am promoting. The next thing is to work one to one with that Sat Guru. Again- Sat Guru, then one to one. Admittedly, there is not a large draw to pick from as there are not a lot that I know of, but there is more than one, so from everything I have said, if you buy into this concept, then you have to find a Sat Guru that you resonate with and will listen to, then work one to one. It is more common that people think they can do it on their own, so as such, that is the end of that, there is no interest here. But, for those who recognize and are of the opinion that this makes sense, and even for those who have been turned off by everything that has been said in this thread, we can summerize and say that when a sincere seeker is there, then the universe offers a choice. A choice has been presented here, that is all. Back to the original comment in the post that I am responding to, the only thing I can see of value when looking at a Guru is - is that Guru one that I resonate with, that I will be able to work with one to one, and that can bring me to Realization. If yes, go for it, if not, look for another one. Other considerations are not important. Tanmay Response to the following post: *POSTER: Maharishi said: "Knowledge that is in the book remains in the book". He also said, that Guru Dev, because he had devoted his life to silence, and had spent about 60 years in silence, in the forests of India- That Guru Dev embodied the knowledge that was in the books. He became the knowledge itself, in living, breathing form. TANMAY: THIS IS A WAY TO DESCRIBE AN ENLIGHTENED BEING . ALSO THE PROCESS THAT ONE DOES BEOFRE THIS STATE IS REACHED, IT IS THE SAME FOR ALL ENLIGHTENED BEINGS, THEY HAVE DONE WHAT WAS NECESSARY BEOFRE THIS CAME ABOUT POSTER: So, it is not so important, this tradition or that, because they all have their misconceptions and limitations. But if you get to the place, as is mentioned above, that "Everyone has access to > their own "Veda" as it were", Then the knowledge is known, directly by the knower. Then the knower is known, directly by the known and visa versa. So, the difference in my mind between Maharishi, and Guru Dev, and some of the rest of all the traditions and the Gurus that represent them- It always comes back to consciousness, and how expanded their consciousness was and is. It's all about consciousness, first, last and always. TANMAY: I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN HERE BUT HERE IS A POST FROM THE TM DISCUSSION GROUP FROM SWAMI G: Re: The Tradition versus what one reads Om Namo Narayana - * My Guru Lineage (Narada, Adi-Shankara, Curtis, Rick > etc.)says: > When you wakeup, really WAKEUP, all traditions fall > away. G that is True for the Realized ONE - yes - no doubt. This is why for the Realized One no matter what the tradition is they will understand what is being given and how it works to move others towards center. * In this condition, like the Bhagavad Gita says, > traditions are as useless as a well in a flooded > place. G it is useless for the ONE that has transcended them - this does not include the ones that are still seeking. For those the Realized ONE continues to uphold the Tradition and the methodologies for the sake of those still transiting out of darkness. * Traditions are kept to help others move towards > Realization, but they can never be used as an > assessment of Realization. G who has ever said a tradition is a guarantor of Realization - Each individual Guru must be looked at in the context of where they reside - IF they are able to bring others to discover that Abiding Self of Liberated Being. One looks at their lineage and tradition as a way to understand what the methodologies are that will be given. As traditions stand upon Proven methodologies. Whether or not these methodologies are able to be transmitted in a balanced way is another matter. * Yes, MMY is a crazy man in many ways, but you can't deny that Blazing Brahman. G one may be able to speak about Brahman - but when they leave casualities in their wake - and whether or not they are Effective as a Guru to bring others out of Darkness and into the Light beyond lights is another matter entirely. One must look at the Over all dynamic that is emerging from the Guru in Question. Are the Sadhaka's balanced ? or are they ungrounded - in confusion - all of this is taken into consideration. It is much more than simply being able to awaken experiences - or being able to speak about Brahman. Maha Shanti OM Thank you for your post. 0 Another post and response: Who wants a person with an energy resembling a ordinary housewife as ones teacher ? Tanmay: One that is turned off for that reason is one that will seek a person with a very charming energy for their Guru. Then when that Guru leaves this plane, the seeker will be very lost as they have sought and viewed the Guru as persona and not consciousness.
