--- In [email protected], "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---the two modes exist simultaneously together, yet you insist on > conflating them in the same context without clarifying which mode you > are referring to.
Yes, I tend to conflate these two modes in my own Being, as for me the Absolute is not really other than the relative and vice versa. For me all the so-called opposites are merely multidimensional labels, arbitrary placeholders to generate some story or other, which can be a lot of fun if entered into in the right spirit (i.e, of disbelief). I find this conflation is useful to relieve myself of the old addictive need to think myself entirely within spacetime and so to judge or blame or even recognize anyone or anything outside myself. By holding myself entirely responsible for the quality of my own creation, which is my own absolutely perfect mirror, I constantly unfold new facets of myself I had never consciously imagined! Who dreamed I would someday be a parent, and of such a multitude of *odd*ly lovable children? :-) >The Neo-Advaitin aspect (i.e. the no need to > rectify things, is obvious; even to Indian philosophy intellectuals, > or should be). I would like to object mildly to calling my Understanding Neo- Advaitin, as I came by it (or it came by me) without study of or particular respect for any of these currently-fashionable teachers. Not that I have anything against them; many of them speak the Truth more clearly than I. This self-evident recognition merely awoke in me quite spontaneously when I saw that the so-called "path" was no longer getting me anywhere, nor did I wish anymore to *go* anywhere, or to measure myself anymore by any criteria but the Self alone. Everything was the same, and it became self-evident, crystal-clear, that all I ever wanted -- eternal perfection, outside space-time -- was already being offered to me; I had but to surrender to/insist upon it. > The other mode (relative-in-itself); is also obvious since even > though you say there's no need to rectify the answer, you did rectify > it!. I believe I said I felt no need to rectify my impulse to clarify your misapprehension. In other words, my statement stands that I feel no need to rectify things, one of those things being the aforesaid impulse. The understanding that everything is perfect as it is (and as it IS) does *not* mean we are invested in its remaining that way, or are attached to changing it. Whatever emerges, we go with that, we let it be, and let it become, to whatever density of manifestation -- thought, word, deed -- that it wishes or needs, until love knows itself thoroughly to be love, and we have fully digested some "new" particle of "Me". > Also, you previously referred to MMY as saying "I don't make > mistakes"; which should be obvious re: the Neo-Advaitin mode. It's > also obvious that he makes an abundance of relative mistakes. > Therefore, the two modes coexist perfectly. Yes! In fact, for me they are the same, appearing to change only in response to the approach we take to it, like the quantum reality's manifesting as wave or particle in response to the measuring instrument used. > The problem arises when one party is referring to the relative mode, > and the inquiree plays the Neo-Advaitin shuffle by arbitrarily > switching back from one mode to another...resulting in ridiculously > false Neo-Advaitin statements such as one might find coming from the > mouth of Ramesh Balsekar such as (there's no mistakes, no karma, no > suffering, ....)....all Neo-Advaitin gobbledenonsense. See, calling this the Neo-Advaitin shuffle or gobbledenonsense is kind of like the kid calling it a trick when we pour the water from the tall, narrow glass into the fat, short glass. There *are* no mistakes, no karma, no suffering. And of course these exist in abundance. Simultaneously, and arising into our awareness depending on the instrument of inquiry used -- heart or mind. We might even go so far as to say that suffering is the echo we give ourselves as feedback to tell our mind it is thinking incorrectly, in a heartless manner. With enough such feedback, eventually we get it, and subside into our own love-Being! :-) But one of the great things about Earth is the sheer abundance of world-views it offers. If you don't like the "Neo-Advaitin" kids or the langauge they use, no one's making you hang out with them or speak their language, are they? :-) *L*L*L*
