--- In [email protected], "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --Right - getting zapped is pretty useless, unless you can take > it with you anytime, anyplace like TM. I got zapped by Muktananda > on many occasions. Didn't help much.
The point of the story I told below, and why the teacher in question left the room, was to make the point that you *can* "take it with you." Everyone opened their eyes to realize that they'd been sitting in samadhi for over an hour *by themselves* with no "outside assistance." What is the conclusion that one might draw from that? That one can "get there" on one's own. And, now, having had an extended experience of what samadhi is like, one might be able to recognize it when it appears in one's own meditation, unlike those TMers who still say after ten or fifteen years, "I don't know if I've ever transcended." (Don't bristle...I was a TM teacher...I've heard that line spoken to me by hundreds of meditators.) The "zapping" is not a goal in itself, although admittedly there are people in the world stupid enough to consider it one and to flit from teacher to teacher like a druggie doing the rounds of the local dealers. Done properly, it's part of a larger method of instruction. The first part is instruction in how to meditate oneself. The next part is a "vision of possibilities," being shown what the established goal of this particular meditation (samadhi, the fully conscious thoughtless state) is *like*, and the third part is one's daily meditation, as one works at being able to realize the goal more often and for longer periods of time. Don't try to judge it by TM standards. Maharishi *can't* offer step two, so he doesn't. What he does offer (step one) may be of value and you may prefer it, but to compare the two methods is like comparing apples and oranges. > - In [email protected], "Richard J. Williams" > <willytex@> wrote: > > > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > > I've been in rooms where the teacher just zapped > > > everyone into samadhi and then got up and left, > > > and it was over an hour before anyone in the > > > room could open their eyes and figure out that > > > he *had* left. :-) > > > > > So, you got "zapped" by Fred the Zen Master. Was that > > before or after reading Fred's book "Surfing the > > Himalayas"? :-) > > >
