Very interesting exchange. This poor woman, not swami
g, seems to be caught in some real subtle mental traps
and very confused. I wish her the best.
--- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes
> third attempt:
>
> Post 1:
>
> __Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in
> physical form, yet I
> have had no direct teachings. All have been in
> astral levels only.__G
> any teachings that come solely through astral realms
> are suspect. __*
> I do not have any direct Guru.
>
> __G this is unfortunate -
>
> __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings
> needed on my path.
> And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction
> and phenomenal in
> the eyes of many others. But the path is different
> than Tantra.
>
> __G what is the path ?
>
> __* While all in all any spiritual path is
> ultimately relating to
> tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure
> you would
> understand what I am conveying. __
>
> G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE
> Indivisible Truth of Being.
> Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how
> to reach this end.
> __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's
> identity because have
> been advised to refrain from doing such in the very
> initial stage of
> these astral transferences way back in 1997.
>
> __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings
> come within the
> realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is
> given is correct -
> maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego
> leanings - maybe what
> comes is being masqueraded _and comes through
> another entity. This is
> also a probability. ---- There is _very little
> stability with anything
> Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral
> nonsense. So why
> is the focal point within the realm of unending
> _phenomena ?
>
> __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved.
> Since almost a year
> now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in
> conjunction with the
> energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal).
>
> __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali
> Tantra ? As far as the
> conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when
> one is within a
> mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights
> is ALWAYS PURE
> and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected
> shadows. --- they have
> no substance other than what you yourself _are
> attributing them to have.
>
> __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra
> which in my own
> opinion is a sacred path.
>
> __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive
> aberation which i
> do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts.
> --- black arts is
> wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not
> Knowledge. Knowledge
> is having gone beyond all such phenomena.
>
> __* But you would surely know that there are other
> sides of this
> vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They
> have been caught
> redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for
> the same.
>
> __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ?
>
> __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are
> my own students
> and trained in the same art that I practise.
>
> __G really ? so why did you teach your students
> such a thing ? or did
> they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ?
> such is my
> constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE
> communication with Sat
> Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face
> teaching and guidance is
> Reliable.
>
> __* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan
> for myself.
>
> __G there is examination and then Examination. My
> questioning is why
> _a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the
> actions of a Sat
> Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name.
> There is something
> very suspect in _this.
>
> __* A lot has been happenning since and there is
> undercover himsa
> that is affecting many people right from small
> children to old people.
> And there is regular suffering for many at physical,
> emotional, mental
> levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at
> them without their
> wish or will through a use of force.__G what do you
> mean by this ?
>
> __* I have tried out all means for settlement.
>
> __G settlement in what way ? What needs to be
> settled ?
>
> __* The group involved is itself not really knowing
> what is wished
> for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That
> I should surrender
> to them bowing on my feet, and then they would be
> the ones to uplift
> me in worldly realms of things, and see to it that I
> become a kind of
> star. They claim to be having such instruction from
> the same astral
> source. And to me this is catastrophy.__
>
> G there is no good thing there - This is NOT the way
> of a Spiritual
> Teacher - _one is not a Sat Guru UNTIL one has gone
> Beyond all such
> drama's. A Sat Guru _would not for one instant put
> up with any of this
> drama. So my questioning _is - that perhaps your
> Guru is not in fact a
> Sat Guru (completed) but rather _something else.
> __in order to fully
> advise i need a transparent disclosure. __But what
> you are describing
> has all the earmarks of a cultic persuation. _One
> that has gone off
> the mark and is not headed towards the Liberation
> _of a Surrender to
> that Light beyond lights. But rather a fear based
> and greed _based
> dynamic and what has this to do with Realization and
> becoming free _of
> the egoic mind drama ? __Understand that Kali brings
> tough experience
> but it is with an end to _aide the Sincere Sadhaka
> to break through
> their own delusions. __If it is something other than
> this then that
> has Nothing to do with Kali _but is something else
> being masqueraded
> under her banner.
>
> __* My reaching to you to me is a plan of the same
> grace. Kindly advise.
>
> __G Do you want to be free of this ? As darkness
> only may continue to
> have _the substance that you continue to feed energy
> to it ? Mind is
> quantum - _Fear feeds the flames - one must Starve
> out shadow play.
> ____Thanks.__Maha Shanti Om _0 _
>
>
> Poat 2:
>
> Om Namo Narayana -
>
> __* My SatGuru is one in physical form, yet I have
> had no direct
> teachings. All have been in astral levels only.__
>
> G any teachings that come solely through astral
> realms are suspect.
>
>
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