Sounds very fine, Jim. Thanks for your reply. Marek
** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > Jim, you're correct. I'm pretty confident, too, that no one here > > thinks that you hold the belief that anyone who feels differently > than > > you regarding Guru Dev's and Maharishi's influence on global > > consciousness is somehow doomed. But at the same time, I do think > > that you post condescendingly at times and do characterize Barry > and > > Curtis particularly as 'lessers' that just don't get what it is > that > > you know to be true. That's got to chap the hide. > > > > But it's a 'give as good as you get' type of place here, you know > that > > as well as I do, and some folks are more argumentative than > > diplomatic; points made are often barbed, sometimes they overshoot > the > > mark, feelings get hurt and the cycle starts up again. But it > always > > seems to settle down after awhile. > > > > I'm stoked that you have this great thing with Guru Dev; so totally > > fine in my books and a delight to hear about and admire. I don't > > personally have any problems with the position you hold, either; > only, > > sometimes it sounds like it's being delivered from on high, that's > > all. At least that's what I feel. > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > Marek > > > > Hi Marek, and thanks for your response. I appreciate your assessment > of the energy of my posts. I do often match the energy of that which > I am responding to, both positive and negative, gently and more > forcefully. I tend to also write here in a very straightforward way. > The straightforwardness is a "symptom" of the clarity I live. Not to > be confused by rigidity, though I suppose to some it can appear that > way. > > I was for decades a seeker, judging every experience as closer or > further away from the sustained experience of enlightenment that I > had dedicated my life to finding. Not in any formal way-- it just > occurred naturally that way as a process following on from what all > the great teachers said, "find your Self first". I also recognized > that being grounded in the blissful absolute nature of life while > living dynamically was the only hope for me of lasting happiness. > Forgive me if that sounds like a TM brochure, but that is the only > way I know to express it. Unlike many here who have delved deeper > into the terminology of spirituality, my focus has always been > experiential, so I don't know many traditional ways to express > spiritual phenomena. > > Anyway, push came to shove, and one magical day, I felt the last of > my encumberances give way, and achieved my lasting liberation. It > hasn't been all darkness on one side and all light on the other. > There has continued to be an ongoing discovery of deeper and deeper > silence, bliss, and freedom integrated into my daily life. But the > transition from bondage to freedom was unmistakable, the transition > from always seeking to always finding was unique. > > I should also say that I have had transient experiences, including > some with Guru Dev, as you mention, which although a lasting > treasure in my heart, were not indicative of a permanent state of > enlightenment. And this is certainly consistent with everything I > have heard and read- that each of us does, and will, express his or > her enlightenment differently, and that there are no outward signs > of the enlightened man, save someone who is generally balanced and > joyful- though the same might be seen in a brief timeslice of > someone enjoying themselves on a good day. The reality, the timeless > reality is just that, a lasting and permanent freedom within. It > cannot be reliably expressed externally so that others can look at > the surface values of the enlightened one and proclaim, "there, > did'ja see that? He is/isn't enlightened". Though, rest assured, the > experience of a lasting and permanent state is so real that it is > unmistakable, as is the accompanying experience that all of earth, > heaven and hell are available at any moment, and the absence of > boundaries is a natural and moment by moment aspect of an > enlightened existence. So if I come across as delivering my thoughts > from on high, it is again the clarity gained in this wondrous state > of mine that I am blessed to find myself in day and night. Not an > expression of rigidity, but rather ever growing and expanding > wonder, while remaining grounded in my eternal and infinite > enlightenment. > > Cheers.:-) >
