--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 30, 2007, at 9:47 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > "> To clarify: My view is that when you tell deliberate
> > > untruths, or (more often) simply engage in intellectual
> > > dishonesty, the "nefarious ends" in question are the
> > > preservation and/or promotion of your self-image."
> >
> > Form Wikipedia:
> >
> > Intellectual dishonesty:
> >
> > "The terms intellectually dishonest and intellectual dishonesty are
> > often used as rhetorical devices in a debate; the label invariably
> > frames an opponent in a negative light. It is an obfuscatory way to
> > say "you're lying" or "you're stupid", and has a cooling effect on
> > conversations similar to accusations of ignorance."
> >
> > Me: Yeah, that about sums it up.
> 
> 
> And also why I use the word "obfuscation" in regards to Judy's style  
> (or lack thereof). She's the great obfuscator.

Not in my reading of things. Judy often, not always IMO, cuts to the
chase. to the key thing. 

Other times she is off fighting old wars which amuses me, as a
reflection of the human condition and its obscure and hidden, deep
motivations.

But she does not, generally -- I am sure there are exceptions -- 
obfuscate. She slams the point home. From my view, the V factor
obfuscates far more than the J factor.








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