The first time I tried meditation which was some three years before learning TM my kundalini rose (it was like going up into the middle of the Sun). This from a mantra in a book which morphed as I practiced it. By the time I came to TM I had tried other techniques and had read Ramana Maharishi teachings extensively. I did TM to find out what an institutionalized program was like. Even prior to the kundalini experience I had spiritual experiences as a child. My guru says this is an indicator that I was on the path in previous lifetimes. I believe this as I have run into TM practitioners who say even after 30 years they have yet to have a clear experience of transcending.
Ron wrote: > I can only comment on what I have done which it TM and now something else. > When I got > the new thing, hardly any instruction was needed because of my TM background. > It seems > like the technique is so engrained that it can never be flushed out, and > probably one > would not want it to be. > > Lately I have been hearing people reporting existence which indicate > enlightenment (at > least the way they describe what is taking place), and they have never done > TM. Most of > the one's that claimed it, it doesn;t look like it holds water, but for a > few, it could be, we > shall see > > > --- In [email protected], "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Bhairitu wrote: >> >>> Most meditative practices will lower stress. >>> >>> >> Do you know of any meditative practices that provide >> the opportunity for transcending? Most of the TMers >> I know all cite for a reason that they took to TM >> practice is because it worked so well and was so easy >> to learn. They all reported that effortlessly being >> able to transcend was the main reason they enjoyed >> the program. I've tried several different techniques >> over the years and listened to several different >> teachers explain their system, but almost everyone >> of them involved concentration of one kind or another. >> It's very difficult to transcend when you're striving >> to concentrate, almost counter-productive. I'm not >> understanding how concentrating on the tip of your nose >> would provide an opportunity for the transcending. >> According to Soto Zen philosophy, the mere idea of >> becoming enlightened is enough to prevent an effortless >> transcending. Dogen Kigen used to teach that 'just >> sitting' IS the enlightened state. So, what I'm asking >> you, again, is who these teachers are who teach an >> effortless transcending. The ones I know about are >> the Deepackage, the Sri Sri, and maybe Bio-sound Bill. >> You haven't cited a single teacher or a single technique >> that can compare to TM as a relaxation technique. >> >> > > > > >
