> > Isn't it a little early in the morning for you
> > to be so, um, incoherent?
> >
Jim Flanegin wrote:
> bottom's up!:-)
>
Now it's on top, Jim - but maybe Barry was up late, 
instead of being up early in the morning. If it had 
been early in the morning he would probably have 
been at a flea market. It it was late, he probably 
would have been in a cafe. Either way, this was one 
of the most incoherent posts I've ever read posted 
by Barry. Especially the part about Rory not being 
a TM teacher!

http://www.artesmagicae.com/auto1.htm

TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > Here's an interesting thought to ponder. There is
> > > no question that the TM organization is highly
> > > hierarchical. There are "levels of importance,"
> > > with Maharishi at the top of the pyramid, Rajas
> > > and the like below that, others things below the
> > > Rajas, then Governors, TM teachers, and finally
> > > the peons -- the regular run-of-the-mill TM 
> > > practitioners.
> > > 
> > > My suggestion for something to ponder is what seems
> > > to happen to long-term peons over time.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone else here noticed that several of the
> > > *non* TM teachers or governors here seem to be the
> > > ones who are most compelled to "cruise for attention"
> > > by either 1) talking about their 'good experiences'
> > 
> > B-b-b-but Barry, you always say you *like*
> > hearing about others' experiences. You also
> > always claim that TMers in general, and I in
> > particular, don't have any good experiences to
> > talk about, that we dump on people who talk
> > about their experiences 'cause we're jealous,
> > remember?
> > 
> > You're always complaining that FFL is an
> > unfriendly place to talk about one's experiences.
> > Now you seem to want to make it unfriendly for
> > TMers to talk about their experienes.
> > 
> > > or 2) proving how well they were able to memorize
> > > What Maharishi (and their TM teachers) Said?
> > 
> > I've never memorized any of MMY's teaching,
> > actually. That's what TM teachers do, and I'm
> > not a TM teacher, remember?
> > 
> > > Is it possible that what is motivating these folks
> > > is a sense of inferiority at being stuck at the
> > > bottom end of the power pyramid. They strut their
> > > stuff like third-graders in a classroom hoping for 
> > > a little attention from the teachers.
> > 
> > So if that *weren't* what was motivating us, we
> > non-teachers would just shut up whenever there
> > were TM teachers present?
> > 
> > > Think about it. Jim. Rory. Judy. None of them TM
> > > teachers, *all* of them engaging in a near-constant
> > > quest for "strokes" *from* TM teachers. Just look
> > > at the way that they *react* when an On The Program
> > > TM teacher praises them. They fall all over them-
> > > selves thanking their "betters" for the praise, and
> > > even adopting the "Aw shucks...you didn't have to
> > > call me a Bodhisattva" pose *expected* of someone
> > > at the bottom of the food chain when dealing with
> > > those higher up in that food chain.
> >
Judy wrote: 
> > Barry, you are *so* messed up. In the first place,
> > I can't recall any "on the program" TM teachers
> > here praising me for anything, much less my falling
> > all over myself to thank them.
> > 
> > For that matter, which participants here *are*
> > on-the-program TM teachers?? I can't think of
> > any offhand.
> > 
> > In the second place, my Bodhisattva demurral
> > was addressed to Rory, whom you just made a big
> > point of noting is *not* a TM teacher.
> > 
> > Third, if an on-the-program TM teacher *had*
> > called me a Boddhisatva and I had simply thanked
> > them without demurring, you'd have made a big
> > deal of my having accepted the characterization
> > (damned if she does, damned if she doesn't).
> > 
> > Funniest of all, not long ago you castigated
> > me for purportedly consistently reacting
> > negatively to Rory's posts, remember? (That
> > wasn't true, of course, but what the heck.)
> > You accused the TMers here, me included, of
> > "piling on" until Rory got so discouraged he
> > stopped posting.
> > 
> > (At that point you were slobbering all over
> > Rory, among other things praising him for
> > posting with "grace and dignity." Ah, how
> > times have changed...)
> > 
> > Bottom line, Barry, you dreamed up what you
> > describe in this post out of thin air
> > (including all those on-the-program TM
> > teachers who participate in FFL). None of it
> > bears any relationship to what actually goes
> > on here.
> > 

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