> > I wish you luck.  Indeed, I believe that I am not 
> > out of line in speaking for the rest of FFL in 
> > saying that we all wish you only success and smooth 
> > riding in your quest to be deprogrammed.  
> >
Rory Goff wrote: 
> Sorry, Shemp, if you are speaking seriously; I am more 
> or less with Barry on this one. Under the right 
> conditions levitation, dematerialization, etc. IME 
> are possible, and have been experienced by a number of 
> us simultaneously. 
>
But, Rory, wouldn't you think that such a phenomenon 
would have been mentioned by someone, somewhere? Maybe
I missed it, but could you point me to any comments that
addressed this earth-shattering event. Barry didn't
mention in in ten years of posting to Usenet; Freddy didn't
mention it in his books: 'Surfing the Himalayas' or
'Surfing to Nirvana', and you didn't mention it in your
autobiography. What's up with that?

> IME it wasn't astral or subtle-body projection, and 
> it felt quite physical and real. On what level(s) of 
> reality it took place I couldn't tell you,
>
On the level of suggestion?
 
> but its effect was to fuse previously-differentiated 
> understandings of matter and spirit into ONE.
>
Is that what Marshy's "bum-hopping" accomplishes - fusing
"matter and spirit into ONE"? What do you suppose people
would say about this at <sci.skeptic>?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/topics

> As Barry says, this kind of experience is viceral and 
> *intense* and IME took many years to fully assimilate.
> 
This kind of experience is usually described as being
under the influence of a trance-induction state or 
hypnosis. Sometimes it's described as mixing up and
passing out the kool-aid.


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