--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Sounds to me as if several people are buying into
> the pre-publication memes being spread by Dan Brown's
> publicists to pave the way for his next best seller.  :-)
> 
> 

Most of what I said are scholarly facts, and can be easily checked

OffWorld


> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "peterklutz" <peterklutz@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 11:11?
> > > 
> > > Is this grid idea a freemasonic / Illuminati attempt to 
reinforce 
> > > some satanist ritual they plan to enact at these times?>>
> > 
> > Heh heh.  
> > 11.11 GMT would be 5.11am on God's Longitude, which runs right 
> > through Washington DC. 5.11 seems to have no significance, 
because 
> > George Washington, Ben Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, and others 
were 
> > all FreeMasons (and Jefferson was as good as - he idolized Sir 
> > Francis Bacon of Elizabethan times, who was the founder of the 
> > Rosicrutians, a Masonic offshoot). George Washington was 
inaugurated 
> > as President of US by the Freemason Grand Master of New York 
city. 
> > He read a Masonic oath when he was inaugurated. These founders 
made 
> > a deliberate and calculated decision about where exactly DC 
would be 
> > built. Washington DC lines up in a straight line with the other 
4 
> > other cities of the Revolutionary period in the North East: 
Boston, 
> > Philadelphia, Baltimore, New York. If you follow that line 
through 
> > the 5 cities, around the globe, it creates a great circle which 
goes 
> > EXACTLY through Stonehenge in England.
> >  
> > Coincidence? Maybe, but bear in mind that Jefferson et al, 
> > practically idolized Francis Bacon (for good reasons), and Bacon 
had 
> > conspired with Sir Walter Raleigh to set up the "New Atlantis", 
as 
> > the Masons called their ideal world (based on knowledge and 
equality 
> > supposedlyÂ…and also architectural and Earth-Leyline principles). 
It 
> > is almost certain that the pragmatist, anti-papist, and 
rationalist, 
> > Queen Elizabeth I, was involved, because Bacon was her close 
> > confidant and friend (most of the time) and she encouraged his 
work. 
> > Bacon worked with Dr. John Dee a mathematician/scientist who 
> > believed in the significance of "God's Longitude", (at 77 
degrees 
> > West of Greenwich). Dee was also a close consultant to Queen 
> > Elizabeth I, and worked closely with her on many projects. Dr. 
Dee 
> > immersed himself intensely in Hermetic Gnosticism (which is a 
direct 
> > ancestor of Freemasonry, and was an ancient Jewish esoteric 
> > tradition completely imbibed in the ancient Judaic  knowledge 
and 
> > practices that go back to the Egyptians.), and, along with Bacon 
and 
> > Raleigh, set about to "capture" the Masonic/Gnostic Holy grail 
of 
> > God's Longitude" at 77 degrees West of Greenwich (where 
Washington 
> > DC was built)
> > 
> > Bacon helped fund Raleigh's expedition through his Rosicrutian 
> > order, (which I believe was based in the Grand Lodge of the 
Masons 
> > for England at the time, but need to check that). Raleigh's 
> > expedition, (not long after the fundamentalist Puritans landed 
at 
> > Plymouth Rock because their form of fundamentalist extremism  -
 "If 
> > you're not with us, you're against us"  - would not be tolerated 
in 
> > England under Elizabeth I ) is said to have failed, but the 
Masonic 
> > principle of setting up the New Atlantis continued to be 
perpetrated 
> > successfully.
> > 
> > Interestingly, the anti-slave owning British had protected the 
> > British colonies in America from the intolerant papist regimes, 
of 
> > France and Spain, and were war weary, when the Englishman George 
> > Washington led the rich slave owning Founders, to win their 
> > independence and right to own slaves (which fueled and served 
the 
> > American economy well), but what is interesting is the French 
> > participants who became Masons, and fought for US, the main ones 
> > being the general Lafayette, and Washington's gunpowder maker, 
> > Dupont. Dupont had left France because since France had been 
> > weakened by their defeat by the British, their ill-regarded 
> > aristocracy was under pressure from the people, and the French 
> > version of the Freemasons. Dupont was associated with 
aristocracy so 
> > he left France just in time, when aristocrats were getting their 
> > heads chopped off. The main Masonic lodge in Washington DC today 
is 
> > called the Lafayette-Dupont Grande Masonic Lodge. Later, the 
> > purported Freemason Napolean, tried to take over Europe and 
crown 
> > himself Emporer, but he was defeated by the British. However, 
the 
> > cousin of the current Queen of England is the Duke of Kent and 
he is 
> > the figurehead for the British Freemason society, and QE II's 
> > husband is apparently a freemason. GW Bush and others were part 
of a 
> > sub-group of the Masonic order (of which there are many sub-
groups), 
> > called the Skull and Bones, and on the 400th anniversary the 
Puritan 
> > extremists landing at Plymouth rock the Queen came to check on 
> > things. :-)
> > 
> > The Founders of the US, after the papist regimes of France and 
> > Spain, helped them defeat the British, then set about creating a 
> > political system that was much like the British one that already 
> > existed. Many Americans today seem to think they defeated a 
King, 
> > King George, but Britain had a so-called "Republic" system long 
> > before the Revolutionary War. Oliver Cromwell, a Puritan, had 
> > strengthened the land-owning gentry as a governing body and a 
> > Republic, almost a century before the founding of the American 
> > Republic, and had weakened the Royal power completely. By the 
time 
> > of Englishman George Washington's win over the British 
Republic's 
> > rule, the King (King George 4th) was a powerless figurehead. 
Then 
> > the Founders of US created a system just like the British one 
> > whereby only Landowners could vote, but no figurehead as such. 
The 
> > difference was that Britain had outlawed slave ownership, but 
the 
> > newly independent Americans kept that right for themselves. 
Apart 
> > from that the political system was no different from the one 
that 
> > had existed in Britain for 100 years or more at the time. A King 
was 
> > not defeated, a Republic with a Parliament was defeated in 
Eastern 
> > US (but nowhere else), by the intollerant Catholic regimes of 
France 
> > and Spain in aid of the fledgling Republic british renegades in 
the 
> > Americas
> > 
> > There is more. Before WW II, there was a plot by rich 
industrialists 
> > who supported Hitler (Bush's grandfather being one of them)  to 
> > conduct a military coup to overthrow the US Government and 
institute 
> > a Fascist-like state. Some of the plotters appear to have links 
with 
> > Freemasonry or at least ancestral links.  It was a Quaker, 
Smedley 
> > Butler, ( Quakers are somewhat like Buddhists in many ways, they 
> > walked out of government en masse in Philidelphia, when the 
> > government there refused to give citizen rights to, and end the 
> > oppression of Native Americans ) who exposed the plot against 
> > Roosevelt's government, but even though the government 
investigation 
> > agreed with the claim by Butler, the charges were dropped. It is 
> > said that Bush's grandfather was a member of the plotters and 
had 
> > sent money to the emerging National Socialists (Hitler's Fascist 
> > movement) in Germany. According to the Guardian newspaper in 
Britain"
> > 
> > " The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered 
files 
> > in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush 
was a 
> > director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism."
> > "His business dealings, which continued until his company's 
assets 
> > were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has 
led 
> > more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being 
brought 
> > in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers 
at 
> > Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy."
> > http://infowars.com/print/Bush/grandfather_helped_nazi.htm
> > 
> > The founder of the Mormons was Freemason, and Mitt Romney is a 
> > Mormon. Bush and Kerry were Skull and Bones brothers. Winston 
> > Churchill was a FreeMason Grand Master, and GW Bush is related 
to 
> > Churchill and to the British Royal Family. Weird huh?
> > 
> > This is the tip of the iceberg of the strange history of 
> > Freemasonry. I am not interested in this as a conspiracy theory, 
but 
> > it is some fascinating history.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
>


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