Great stuff! Thank you. **
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Nope, I disagree with that viewpoint based on my experiences. > While everything is the Self, the real question is: does SBS "have" a > relative body which is real. Of course, Jesus has appearned in > dreams to many people in powerful visions (as to me in 1996, with > living, vibrant messages which influence one's outlook for a long > time - even to this day); and similarly, Ramana Maharshi appeared to > be in an extremely powerful mind/blowing vision. > Critics of such experiences might claim that the entities in such > visions are merely "holograms" and thus not real; but that argument > doesn't hold water since everything is already a hologram. > The real question then becomes one of appraising the holograms and > most important the consequence and impact of the visions; not just > the fact that one had a vision or flashy experience. > We can use an analogy, the reports of the impact near death > experiences have on people. Many people report that such experiences > are life transforming, with powerful positive influences on the whole > orientation of one's existence. Likewise, powerful visions can > trigger deep but powerful transformations in the psyche which are > deemed to be spiritually of value. > SBS appeared to me in a powerful "real" experience in the dream > state in 1988; in which he initiated me into a Durga mantra. > The true measure of what's real or not is not whether it manifests in > a vision (since everything is a vision); but the transformative > effects which ensue over the years. > But it's obvious that SBS is also a type of impersonalist all- > pervasive Shiva. So is a dirt clod. Zen Koan: The Buddha is like a > dirt clod. What's the difference? On an absolute level, the dirt > clod is equally the Buddha. On a relative level, there are subtle > transformative frequences of energy operating in multiple dimensions > across vast reaches of time and in unimaginably complex chains of > causes and effects; which allows the Buddha to be fully Absolute and > also to operate in countless Transformation bodies. We don't see the > dirt clod operating in that respect. > Likewise, since SBS is no more Absolute than the dirt clod, there > must be something else - another component or aspect of life - which > enables the TM initiation to be effective; while having a picture of > a dirt clod during the initiation and bowing down to it; might > diminish the potency of the ritual. > Thus, the component SBS has, or radiates, is Shakti. Dirt clods are > composed of Shakti but don't radiate much of it. > > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > > > Again, it is my belief system being presented here, which > includes > > thinking what I have > > > heard from other Gurus to be correct. > > > > > > I think Guru dev was an enlightened being, this means there is no > > greater or lesser among > > > the class of enlightened beings, and if he had disciples, then > > yes, a Sat Guru. > > > > > > Those surrendering to him, nice gesture however when the ego is > up > > against a living Guru, > > <snip> > > > > "was"? "had"? And I would challenge you to prove to anyone that > > Brahmananda Saraswati is not alive; far more *alive* than you are! > > > > Do you think He appears as if in a dream, and communicates > > abstractly with flowery phrases? What fantasy is this? He will > > destroy any remnant of your small self, faster than you can > imagine; > > immolate your illusions in the blink of an eye (with your devoted > > surrender and all consuming agreement, of course); bring the > > Almighty power of Shiva within you, and all with an intimate and > > personal love unsurpassed-- a relationship as real, sustained, and > > as consistent as any other you may have. This is my direct > > experience. > > > > What you have written here is based on some fanciful notion, and > has > > nothing to do with the vital, dynamic and living reality of Guru > > Dev. Until you know what you are talking about, it may be better to > > just watch and wait.:-) > > >
