TurquoiseB wrote:
> Packing up one's stuff is debilitating. You learn
> very quickly how much of your stuff owns you, as
> opposed to vice-versa. I've got eight boxes of books
> just on the Cathars and medieval stuff! Teaches one
> a bit about attachment.
>   
Oh I can really relate to this.  When I bought my house 7 years ago I 
got rid of tons of stuff in my apartment.  I couldn't believe it could 
hold all of that.  Still boxes of crap moved with me as I am a low 
energy kind of guy and it took about a month for me to get ready for the 
move which might take the average person a week.   Now I've been 
spending this summer "downsizing" so my house is very minimalist except 
for things that aren't that big a deal to move or get rid of during a 
move including the 53" HDTV which I  would sell at a bargain price and 
replace it with a new one.

I'm not ready to move but it would just be nice to have less clutter.  
Thing is I'm a creative person and creative people are not known for 
anal retentiveness.  What's that old saw?  "A clean house is the sign of 
a wasted mind" or something like that.

My garage has a wall lined with boxes from my move 7 years ago.  Someday 
I will start sorting those.  Everytime my garage door is open the 
neighbors wince but I don't know why.  I can park my car in my garage 
and theirs is so full of stuff they can't.  :)

And these days in the US you just can't throw stuff into the trash can.  
No, no, no, it has to be all sorted out and then you have to shred 
anything that has any personal info on it.  That really slows down the 
process.  If you put stuff on the sidewalk for free it usually justs 
sits there until the cops come along and tell you to move it.   I know 
my neighbors tried that and it didn't work.   I often see people putting 
out old computers and monitors for free trying to avoid the $25 charge 
per unit for disposal.  Even throwing AAA batteries in the garbage can 
get you a prison sentence.  Only recently have the stores that sell 
batteries offered to take them back and then they only put out a chincy 
little box for them.

I had a couple bags of clothes to give away and there is a Goodwill van 
at the top of the hill.  Problem is the van is usually full and the 
attendant (who is there so people don't just leave stuff outside anyway) 
has no idea when an empty one will show up.   I lucked out last Monday 
it had been emptied so was able to leave two big bags of clothing and 
some old drapes there.

My neighbors have garage sales about twice a year (two a year is all you 
are allowed in this town) and the last one a week ago I asked them where 
do they get all this stuff?  Seems they have a storage shed in back full 
of stuff.

The spiritual angle on this is interesting as I know both packrats and 
spartans who are on spiritual paths.  Ayurveda can frequently explain 
this as the spartan folks are usually the vata types and the packrats 
kapha (or are running these imbalances).



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