I'll make an exception and reply to one of Swami J's posts here, because she *knows* that what she's implying below isn't true.
BTW, you'll notice that disciple John is letting Swami J fight his battles for him. Get used to it. --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A few of the details in Barry's account didn't quite > sound right to me, so I decided to check on the earlier > versions Barry has related on FFL and alt.m.t. ... > > And here's an earlier version from FFL, a year ago: > > ======== > > > LOL, didn't Charlie say something to M like "Maharishi, an > > hour and a half? I wouldn't wait an hour and a half for > > Jesus Christ!" > > Yup, almost word for word. I was the "door guy" at > the hotel room door that night. I told the folks > inside that Charlie was there, and watched them > tell Maharishi. Charlie waited for an hour or so, > and then stormed off, shouting those words. Later, > because I was the door guy, I was the one who > Maharishi told Charlie was to blame for keeping > him out: "They never told me." They told him. > > ======== > > In the current account, it was Charlie *making up* > a "grand paranoid tale" about "Jerry's minions" > keeping him out of the room. > > But last year, it was MMY himself who told Charlie > that. As you well know, Swami J ( recognize the phrase "As you well know"? :-), that part came *after* the part of the story I just retold. It happened at the airport the next day, when Charlie showed up to see Maharishi, having blown him off the night before. Charlie went up to Maharishi and said something to the effect of, "I was there at the hotel last night, but they told me to wait outside." Maharishi looked Charlie straight in the eye and said, "No one ever told me you were there." THAT is a LIE. I *watched* the person tell him. I *watched* MMY tell the guy to tell me to have Charlie wait. And Jerry Jarvis and a couple of other close friends (not to mention Merv and Clint) were sitting right there close enough to *hear* him say it. Jerry and the others confirmed this to me after the Charlieshit later hit the fan. But now, face to face with Charlie Lutes, Maharishi told him that "No one told me." Go figure, eh? That's a Zen puzzler for those of you who think Maharishi never lies. But even more so, it's a head-scratcher for those who think Swami J never lies. She just got back from reading the earlier version of these stories, so she knows what went down, and in what sequence. But that's not quite how she told it, is it? > ======== > > I was once or twice the target of some of Charlie's pettiness. Do > you remember the story I related here recently of being stuck on > "door duty" the night Merv and Clint were there and Maharishi > kept Charlie waiting in the hall for several hours? Well, after > that > particular incident, because I was the asshole at the door, Charlie > decided that *I* was the one who had "kept him away from MMY." > The fact that I often attended his Friday night meetings and had > been on very friendly terms with him up to that point didn't seem > to factor into his thinking -- I was at the door, I was to blame. > So he launched a campaign to get me fired from my plush :-) > $500-a-month job at the Regional Office, calling Maharishi in > Switzerland several times to accomplish this. (Somehow I survived.) > > ======== > > Oops. In this version, Barry seems to have > "forgotten" that it was MMY who told Charlie > Barry was the one to have kept him out of > the room. We're back to Charlie's "paranoia" > again. Not true. Maharishi never assigned blame. If I said so earlier that was fast writing on my part. He merely lied and said to Charlie, "No one ever told me you were there." Charlie *assumed* it was me who had lied to him about telling Maharishi when I came back out and told him that Maharishi had asked for him to wait. > But here we do see Barry's motivation for > sneaking a tape recorder into one of Charlie's > lectures, in revenge for Charlie having tried > to get him fired. The tape recorder incident was months before the Merv taping. As you might say, Oooopsie. :-) > Or, did Charlie try to get Barry fired *because* > Barry had surreptitiously taped his lecture to > make him look bad, and because MMY had told him > Barry and Jerry's other "minions" were responsible > for his not being able to see MMY? Charlie never knew I taped any of his lectures. He didn't know me except to say Hi to before the incident at the airport. It was only after that that we began to hear reports of him going to Maharishi and trying to get me fired from the Regional Office. But let's spend a moment on "surrepititiously taped his lecture to make him look bad." That's quite a view of the universe you have there, Swami J. Now I understand why you were so upset about the Things TMers Believe series of quotes I collected. You're under the impression that taping or reposting someone's exact words is an attempt to make them look bad. I taped the *entire lectures*. The entire talks were on the tapes, and never got edited from the tapes, so you can't even pitch a hissy fit and claim "OUT OF CONTEXT" in a loud, hysterical voice the way you did with the Things TMers Believe series. They were *his* words, just as he said them. And you are trying to make someone recording them *at the request of the TM International Staff* a bad thing. Any other time, you'd be giving me shit for *not* doing exactly as I was told. :-) Then again, you are busy defending John Manning for calling Edg a liar, something he has *no way* of knowing is true. And then again, *you* tend to call people liars yourself, often when you have no earthly way of knowing that that's true. What a fuckin' loon. > Only Barry knows what the time sequence was here. > But one way or another, it appears that Charlie > had plenty of reason to dislike and distrust > Barry. Which is interesting, because before his rather juvenile attempts to extract "retribution" on me for an imagined affront, I didn't dislike Charlie at all. I found him amusing and didn't take him the *least* bit seriously. I kinda considered him a buffoon, same as I consider you. (Only I respected Charlie more.) I did the taping thing because I was asked to, and the *reason* I was asked to was that I was the only one who worked at National who had a small minicassette recorder. :-) It wasn't even National's *idea* to check up on Charlie's lectures and see what he was saying. They were told to do so by International Staff. > ======== > > I was in a position several times to see how Maharishi treated > Charlie. He often kept him waiting in hallways for *hours*, > knowing full well that he was there, knowing he was impatient > and would sooner or later throw a tantrum and stalk off, and > then, just when Charlie was about to storm off in a snit, > Maharishi would call him into the room and then say, "Oh, they > (meaning Jerry and/or whoever was on 'door duty' that night) > never told me you were there." There were other instances where MMY kept Charlie waiting, and then called for him *just* as he was about to leave. The evening before the second Merv taping wasn't one of them. Charlie managed to stalk off *before* Maharishi invited him in this time. > ======== > > And now we're back to the alternate story again, > that MMY regularly blamed Jerry and "his minions" > for keeping Charlie out of the room. I don't think it has *ever* been suggested that "MMY regularly blamed Jerry and 'his minions' for keeping Charlie out of the room." Swami J just made that up. Maharishi often *claimed to Charlie* that they hadn't told him that he was waiting, but they always had, and Maharishi knew that. Everyone would have been too *afraid* of Maharishi to *not* tell him that Charlie was there. Maharishi was lying to Charlie, and shifting the blame to "Jerry's kids." It was Charlie and *his* minions who claimed that it was all a big plot on the part of Jerry and "his" TM teachers. Not MMY. It is my belief that this story was started by Charlie himself, after the incident at the airport. > ======== > > As for the situation at hand, I'll let you decide. I was the poor > schmuck stuck with "door duty" one night in L.A. when the people > waiting in the hall were Merv Griffin, Clint Eastwood, Charlie, and > about a dozen Just Meditators. I had dutifully announced everyone > as they arrived to Maharishi, so he knew they were there. Merv and > Clint got in first. Their TV show was the next day; it was an > etiquette no-brainer. :-) Then a couple of the Just Meditators got > let in. One of them was a young woman I had announced several times, > because I'd talked with her a little about why she was there. Then, > after a few hours, Maharishi called Charlie in. > > Anyway, I guess my point is, "How do you think I *should* have > acted?" > > I, as a mid-level flunky so far down on the Power Chain that I was > stuck outside the door while all the action was going down in the > room, guess I could have done more to get the Important people in. > Merv and Clint only waited a few minutes, but I guess I could have > announced Charlie twice. Or maybe three times, since he was so > Important. > > ========= > > This one's really interesting. It appears to > be the same *occasion*, the night before the Merv > taping. But in this version, Charlie waits for hours > and finally *is* let in. No, Maharishi asked for Charlie to come in about one minute after he had stormed off in a snit. He never got in that night. You may look upon this as some kind of psychic "seeing" on MMY's part if you'd like, and I know you'd probably like. :-) > And Barry acknowledges this time that he *did* have > a hand in keeping Charlie out, by choosing to announce > him only once, when Charlie might have gotten in if > MMY had been reminded that he was still waiting. I announced *everyone* once, to the persons inside the room who were in charge of determining who was to be admitted to a closed business meeting. That's how it was done. No one was ever forgotten. Their names went on a written list, as I'm sure did Charlie Lutes' that night. I made an exception and announced the young woman more than once because she was dying. I suppose you're going to find a way to demonize *that* in me, too. I suppose *you* would have announced Charlie multiple times, right? Yeah, right...the only reason you're defending Charlie now is because I gave John a hard time, and you've got to "defend your disciple." You don't think much of Charlie Lutes, either, and have said so rather overtly in the past. You're just taking advantage of the situation to blast me. Which is a really pissy-assed and childish thing to do, in my opinion. You seem to have attained the same emotional and behavioral age as Charlie Lutes. Having made one exception, I've changed my mind about not reading your posts and/or replying to them for two months. Make it four months. If you're lucky. The first "penalty" was just for being a chronic overposting asshole. This one's just for being you.
