Guru Dev is Santa for adults.

Nice post.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@> 
> > wrote:
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> > > 
> > > --- boo_lives <boo_lives@> wrote:
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> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
> > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > IMO, he looks a bit sad or worried in most
> > > > > of these pics:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/photogallery.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > I guess he knew what the world would have to go
> > > > through
> > > > > during the 20th century.
> > > > >
> > > > Or how MMY would start selling supernormal powers
> > > > and Enlightenment at
> > > > $1 million a pop to spiritual gullible americans,
> > > > all proceeds going
> > > > into an offshore account in the jersey islands named
> > > > Brahmananda
> > > > Saraswati Trust, which finances real estate
> > > > development and lavish
> > > > lifestyles of the varma/srivasta clans.
> > > 
> > > Slam dunk!!
> > > 
> > I guess I never figured that Guru Dev is that weak, blind and stupid-
> > - 
> > 
> > That a saint who could make himself dynamically known to many after 
> > his bodily death, who apparently organized a massive yagya to end 
> > world war two, who manifested money out of the ether, who lived 
> > unaided in the forest from the age of nine, would be incapable of 
> > using his highly developed intuition to pick a worthy successor to 
> > spread his message, one who he even provided with the mantras useful 
> > for the world, on his deathbed? 
> > 
> > Of all those who he could of chosen, at his pinnacle of wisdom and 
> > popularity as Shankaracharya of the North, of all of those attracted 
> > to him, he choses someone who is greatly flawed, to destroy and cast 
> > doubt on all of his work? 
> > 
> > Sorry, but I ain't buyin' it.:-)
> >
> There is no evidence that GD choose MMY to be his successor - tmers
> believe that based on what MMY has said not anything objective. 
> There's a huge decades long controversy over who GD's official jyotir
> math successor was, where there is some record, and there's no record
> at all regarding MMY.  GD did not give MMY tm mantras - as has been
> documented MMY started teaching TM in india with the mantra raam given
> to everyone, later changed to bij mantras, and changed the criteria
> for selecting bij mantras at least a couple times.  The deathbed story
> is believed by tmers and makes a great dramatic story.  You can
> believe whatever you want, as long as you understand you're using your
> own spiritual movement's beliefs/stories/myths to support your
> argument, which doesn't have much weight on those who aren't a part of
> it.  Every guru with a marketing orientation has a story about how he
> is the official successor/reincarnation of/avatar of/ etc. of some
> prior esteemed guru.  Anti-tm people from GD's ashram have their own
> stories about how GD warned the ashram about MMY's ambition and to
> keep him on the business side and out of the teaching side of the
> ashram, and how MMY fooled with the will, etc.  That's their stories -
>  they have the same objective weight as TM TB stories.
> 
> MMY certainly has been successful in drawing in people to meditation
> and in raising money.  Still a pretty large group in ffld doing his
> thing.  I don't know if that says anything about GD or what he would
> think about it.  
> 
> I don't know much about GD from non TM sources.  He appears to have
> practiced a tradition called shri vidya.  My personal opinion is that
> GD's true lineage is being upheld by someone trained and selected
> while GD was in the forest, not while in his public formal role as a
> religious ashram leader.
>


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