--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> And so when I proclaimed this glaringly Self-evident reality, this 
> eternal truth, and people questioned me, it was hugely frustrating. 
> Here was something I loved more than anything in the world, Self 
> Realization, and wanted to share the good news with everyone, and 
> surprise to me, people doubted my experience! What? It was like 
> seeing the most beautiful palace on earth and pointing it out, 
plain 
> as day, and having people shrug, and reply, "nope, don't see itÂ…". 
> Seems like a big joke to me now. And the doubters greatly helped me 
> increase my clarity around what it is I am experiencing.>>

That is interesting. If you explain something that is great to you ,a 
lot of people deny it because they did not experience it the same. I 
think we all do that to others. It is healthy to be skeptical. I have 
been explaining some long-time experiences in another thread here, 
and I realize there will always be those who retort in a harsh 
cutting way, trying to dispel your "illusion", because they have not 
had the same type of experience. But even that is good for us. I do 
not blame them. I may often think (but not always express) the same 
skepticism. I think it is natural and necessary. A true experience 
will always hold true over time, and the experiencer will maintain a 
rational mind in exploring it. Therefore, the greatest test is if you 
ask yourself the same skeptical questions that the descenters ask, 
and over years the meaning of the experience becomes even clearer.

It forces a rational mind to constantly question one's own 
experience. And that is a good thing. Testing your experience as to 
its robustness under questioning is valuable. It prevents the mind 
(of the skeptical descenters) from too easily following false notions 
and gurus as well. Healthy skepticism is good. 

How can humans make agreement?
The only way I know is by testing things and repeating the 
experiments in a rigorous way for society at large. Otherwise it is 
just some other bloke's word over another's (no mattter the high 
pedestal we like to put gurus on). Otherwise, personal experience is 
personal, and maybe not the same for everyone

And so, if you put your experience out there people, prepare to be 
tested, but that is a good thing.

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