--- In [email protected], off_world_beings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
> wrote:
> snip
> >
> > And so when I proclaimed this glaringly Self-evident reality,
this
> > eternal truth, and people questioned me, it was hugely
frustrating.
> > Here was something I loved more than anything in the world, Self
> > Realization, and wanted to share the good news with everyone,
and
> > surprise to me, people doubted my experience! What? It was like
> > seeing the most beautiful palace on earth and pointing it out,
> plain
> > as day, and having people shrug, and reply, "nope, don't see
itÂ…".
> > Seems like a big joke to me now. And the doubters greatly helped
me
> > increase my clarity around what it is I am experiencing.>>
>
> That is interesting. If you explain something that is great to
you ,a
> lot of people deny it because they did not experience it the same.
I
> think we all do that to others. It is healthy to be skeptical. I
have
> been explaining some long-time experiences in another thread here,
> and I realize there will always be those who retort in a harsh
> cutting way, trying to dispel your "illusion", because they have
not
> had the same type of experience. But even that is good for us. I
do
> not blame them. I may often think (but not always express) the
same
> skepticism. I think it is natural and necessary. A true experience
> will always hold true over time, and the experiencer will maintain
a
> rational mind in exploring it. Therefore, the greatest test is if
you
> ask yourself the same skeptical questions that the descenters ask,
> and over years the meaning of the experience becomes even clearer.
>
> It forces a rational mind to constantly question one's own
> experience. And that is a good thing. Testing your experience as
to
> its robustness under questioning is valuable. It prevents the mind
> (of the skeptical descenters) from too easily following false
notions
> and gurus as well. Healthy skepticism is good.
>
> How can humans make agreement?
> The only way I know is by testing things and repeating the
> experiments in a rigorous way for society at large. Otherwise it
is
> just some other bloke's word over another's (no mattter the high
> pedestal we like to put gurus on). Otherwise, personal experience
is
> personal, and maybe not the same for everyone
>
> And so, if you put your experience out there people, prepare to be
> tested, but that is a good thing.
>
> OffWorld
>
I have never doubted my experience of Self Realization, not even
once, though the skepticism and controversy and challenges that it
stirred up through my expressing it here have been invaluable in
deepening and clarifying my experience.:-)
