--- In [email protected], Bronte Baxter
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> Off-World, this is absolutely exciting. I've always wanted to
talk to someone who was having red-hot, metal-melting kundulini on an
almost daily basis. I have so much I want to ask. So here goes, with
inserted questions below. (For anyone who missed Off-World's
fascinating post, I've also left the original intact at the bottom.)
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> Off-World wrote:
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> It is full of bliss, all-power, bright light, emptiness, and fear
all
> at the same time. Very strange.
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> Hmm. I don't feel fear or emptiness when I have the burning,
although I don't like it when I want to fall asleep. Can you sleep
when this is going on? >>
It is like a half-way sleep, sometimes asleep, often woken up, and
often aware of it during sleep. Sometimes softer, sometimes stronger.
>
> About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is
the fear OF? That you will burn up? I>>
The fear is of anihilation. It seems like anihilation, like something
else could take over that is not me, but I have come to the point of
facing that very powerful sense, and not fearing the fear so to speak.
<<< have considered sometimes that if the burning I feel got much
more intense, it WOULD be scary -- I'd be afraid I was going to burn
up. Do you think people CAN burn up from kundulini?>>>
I don't know. Part of what I am getting is that it could destroy me,
but I decided to not be afraid of that. I suppose if a person thinks
that they, as an individual, is important, then it defeats the part
of the purpose of enlightenment, which is letting go of ego. So the
paradox is that the fear is of annihilation, but humans naturally
have a strong sense of self preservation, and unless they aceept the
possibility of total annihilation of the soul, then they are still
atached to their own ego. It is normal to fear annihilation of the
soul I think, but I have decided that is a barrier to my evolution,
and so I decided to never fear that natural fear anymore. My one
weensy soul is not important to the universe, so why not risk it.
<<People who've died of "spontaneous combustion" -- do you think
that's what it was all about?>>
Not sure, could be related, it sometimes actuall feels like that
could happen, but I don't think this would happen with most people,
if it were a potential.
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> My take on the fear thing is that while it's present with
kundulini at times, it is not kundulini itself but rather a person's
resistance to it, their doubting of it. By itself, kudulini is power
and fire and beautiful. It is the trumpet call that wakes the spirit
and calls the body to new life. Maybe that's what the angel's trumpet
call symbolizes in the Book of Revelations.>>
Maybe,and I think fear is necessary. You cannot annihilate fear. It
is natural to the universe. I heard Maharishi explain once that the
infinity is afraid of being annihilated by the point value and visa-
versa, so it is inbuilt into the dynamics of existence. The 3 in 1
structure of consciousness (Being) is a direct result of this
reverberation as one extreme expands to the other, and back. I did
not get, nor accept, Maharishi's answer at that time(to a purusha
guy's question about how he was percieving fear within the
transcndent or something like that). In fact, I was annoyed by this
talk of fear, and ignored it. But now, I can see the importance of
it. It is a wonderful thing.
So I am starting to think of fear as an energy, it is just that
humans and other animals use that energy as a tool of practical life,
such that it becomes ingrained as something negative. But we need to
pull back and see the big picture. It is an energy, and I think that
yogis learn to transform (not annihilate, or ignore) that energy into
power.
Just a thought. Could be wrong though.
> The purification is like a hot metal rod burning, but it is
> not damaging or painful, only healing. Oftentimes (3 or 4 times a
> week), it fills most of my sleeping night with fire and bliss and
> neuronal purification, and I am often surprised how the world has
not
> transformed the next day.
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> That is so beautiful. You're my new kundulini guru, Off-World.
(Guru in the good sense.)>>
Thanks!
I'm no guru, and I cannot be sure it should be called kundalini. It
is very powerful and extreme and hits the brain like a bolt of
electricity, but bright and purifying.
<< Do you do anything to manage the energy, or do you just let it do
its thing? >>
I let it do its thing. I have always felt it was a good thing (though
sometimes I was scared of the annihilation sense), and it ALWAYS ends
in a sweet bathing of bliss for and hour or more.
<<Do you think kundulini can "get stuck" in a blocked chakra or other
body area? >>
Yes, (if it is kundalini ) but what I get is always purifying, so
sometimes I feel it in different areas, but I cannot relate it to
chakras as such, but wherever it takes my attention I am just glad to
have it, mild or strong.
<<<If so, how does that feel, and how do you unblock the river?>>
I find there is not much I can do, since it is spontaneaou and when
it is strong it is a jolt to the brain that wakes me up often, and I
can sense where thare are very big blocks in heart or brain, but it
always seems to purify some more of that in a natural way. Of course,
if this is not kundalini, then I don't want to have kundalini,
because this is plenty powerful enough and I can't imagine anything
more powerful. I just let it do its thing and I like it.
> Well, the body must change completely. Every cell and neuron would
> have to transform completely to accomodate this bright burning
> purifying fire.
>
> Yes, yes, I've often sensed the destiny of this fire is to
consume my body as I know it and transmute it into an immortal one. >>
Yes, and that sense of that immortal being that I get, I cannot even
call it 'me' at all. I just can't see that, and that is where that
fear of annihilation comes in. But I decided that 'me' is nothing
important, and to just go with it when it comes.
<<<Physical immortality is certainly theoretically possible, since
all the cells are made of is energy, which is itself immortal.>>
I don't think of the body anymore so much. This thing is so powerful,
that the body comes or goes is of no consequence to me. Body is a
vessel maybe, but not so important. You are immortal and no-one can
ever escape that terrible truth.
<< A body that "ran on" higher consciousness, that was "wired" with
high enough conscious, would not be subject to decay. The force that
makes this transformation IMO is the kundulini. It seems made for
that.>>
I cannot see how my body could fully integrate this thing and
survive. I have expect to self-combust, but I now know I won't. But
perhaps people who are more used to it can integrate it. Maybe I am
just not at that point yet, and I am overblowing it as an experience,
but it is so much fun and bliss and enlightening, I hope I never just
get used to it.
> If his theory of the effects of consciousness are
> correct, then there is no way it is going to be a slow gradual
change
> over 100-200 years. It is exponential change, and the end of it
will
> be moving so fast, we would likely call it armagedon, but not in
the
> negative sense of the interpretation of the Bible. But as the Bible
> describes correctly there will be much extreme fear, and chaos and
> transformation of matter, but the absolute end result will be a
> higher level for all.
>
>
> I think that's where we come in -- the people who've already
journeyed a ways down this corridor (the people who've been
experimenting with meditation and consciousness-raising all their
lives). We are here to be the tip of the snow plow. We can make it
easier for the rest, when the transition comes, by creatively
visualizing how we want the transformation to me. Thoughts create
reality, and if enough of us picture this world change happening
joyously instead traumatically, that's how it will come down, IMO.>>
It is a jouyous change I have tried to explain, but on the surface it
could be like hell to those who have not experienced this power.
Think of it like this: If a massive and unprecedented gamma wave
burst flowed across Earth from deep space (which happens every 100,00
years or so), everyone's brain would go into some kind of seizure,
but maybe a positive thing. If you had not experienced it then it
would be horrendous. If you had, then you would just hang on to your
hat, and hold on tight to your seat and go with it. Hopefull, it will
be gradual enough for people to adjust and get used to it and
understand it, but then again, I personally don't want to wait for
them. And since I as an individual I think of as any importance, then
I have to concldue that all souls are not important. Only the level
of consciousness being expressed in our part of the universe is
important. I do think that we ALL get purified and turned into our
immortal selves though (and that immortal person is not us, in a
sense)
> "Killing" or "dying" is an metaphor for the power of it. You
don't
> die and get put in the ground, but it will be as close to dying as
> you can get. That is my experience of it. That is why Jesus talked
> about being 'born again'. To not use these very strong dramatic
terms
> such as "being burned alive by the purifying bliss" would be to
give
> the listener the wrong impression. It is a great thing I think, but
> not necessarily fun on all levels. The image of the Balrog in the
> movie Lord of the Rings seems a perfect expression of what we may
> have to face in the end. If you are ready, and accept the fear,
then,
> like Gandhalf, you will be transformed.
>
>
> I don't remember that scene of the movie, but I grok you here. I
think we feel scared of what we don't understnd.>>
Exactly, and we are ultimately massive and powerful beings, but we
forgot that, and I think these god-beings have little to do with our
self-concept of most people today.
<<If a person can know that walking into the fire is a good thing,
designed to remake their body, not destroy, the fear is not a
hindrance and you can just dive in. >>
Yes, and then I think the fear becomes an energy that is useful to
you. It is still fear, but it is transformed to a useful energy. Just
like electricity can be used for good things, but also can be
dangerous in inexperienced hands.
<<Do you buy the stories you hear about kundulini being dangerous?>>
I don't know. I used to think it could be, and I still do in a way.
But I made a decision for myself that 'myself' is of no importance,
and that if it destroys me, turns me mad, or kills me...I don't care.
Once I made that realization I found it much easier to just go with
the flow. I think it will still bring you to that point on its own.
It is natural that it brings you to this realization I think. But the
decision is a bit mad in a way, since it is an extreme sacrfice to
sacrifice your very soul or sanity to the universe. Trust the
universe, it will not let you down. Go with the flow, and do not try
to push the fear away, let it in and accept it, it will become your
power in the end.
> Anyway, maybe it will be different for different people, but I
still
> don't see how you can get enlightened without facing great fear in
> your deep psyche, and transforming it into the energy it was
supposed
> to be in the beginning. Not fear, but energy.
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>
> Said so beautifully, Off-World -- "the energy it was supposed to
be in the beginning." It was fear that railroaded this creation.
Kundulini may be the door that opens the world to the power of God.
IMO, the Infinite One had an original joyous divine intention for the
universe that never yet got realized. It's still lurking to manifest.
Kundulini may be the means. >>
Yes, but rememebr the fear is not bad, it has just become
misunderstood by our limited consciousness. Fear is also immortal,
and beautiful. Ultimately it becomes out our real yogic power.
OffWorld
