Not to muddy the waters at all... :)
The OpenSolaris Community is considering similar things, as there have
been requests for Fedora 3.0 to live in an opensolaris.org IPS
repository. Most of the issues being discussed for Debian also apply to
OpenSolaris, so I´d like to jump into this discussion.
For OpenSolaris:
1) FHS issues and mechanisms would be a bit different on OSOL, but the
striving for
something ´standard´ is still a good goal
2) Pre-Existing tomcat case (as a subset of overall
dependencies/assumptions) is as
important an issue
3) Profiles/flavors would make for a much better ´out of the box
experience´, and would
definitely knock down barriers to entry - that said, this could be
something introduced
after a first ´release´
So, +1 for ´package-izing´ Fedora, but I´d like to bring the OSOL
perspective, if people don´t feel it will confuse the issue.
Eric Reid
ISV Engineering OSS
Sun Microsystems
Benjamin O'Steen wrote:
> For me, both the process of making Fedora-commons installable by a
> debian package, and also the resulting package are desirable outcomes.
>
> For one, to make a decent package, various things need time and care:
> 1) Adopting the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard - FHS
> - configuration files go into /etc, /etc/init.d/ contains a mechanism
> to start and stop Fedora, etc
> 2) The use-case of Fedora being installed on a pre-existing Tomcat gets
> attention
> 3) Profiling certain collections of services to make for different
> flavours of Fedora: Basic personal store = [XACML off, REST API on, RI
> off, JMS off], Basic repository = [ etc.
>
> And secondly, by decreasing the adoption barrier to "apt-get install
> fedoracommons", I think that you will increase the amount of weekend
> hackers - those who might give it a try and play with it. With the REST
> API turned on, there is very little new code that a hacker would need to
> get started.
>
> Then, once they have been broken into the idea of an objectstore, then
> we can introduce them to the idea of disseminators and Bdefs/Bmechs ;)
>
> And then, there are all the benefits of having a package - you can push
> updates using apt-get, in the same way that many admins will be familiar
> to, the creation of a fedora-commons Vmware hosted server can be
> scripted. Adopting the FHS means that existing sysadmins will more
> readily take over the maintence of a repository if they do not have to
> do anything unusual. Intuitively, the logs should be in /var/log,
> /etc/fedoracommons is the config directory, /usr/share/doc, etc and if
> they don't find them in these places, then they get annoyed and tend to
> not bother.
>
> And if the Fedora package can be made to meet the Debian Guidelines...
> Then, we can really start to tap into a wider market.
>
> Ben O'Steen
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> t] On Behalf Of Phil Cryer
>> Sent: 03 September 2008 17:01
>> To: Christian Rohrer
>> Cc: fedora-commons-developers
>> Subject: Re: [Fedora-commons-developers] SUSPECT: Re: .deb
>> installerfor Fedora
>>
>> Let
>> me ask, is the goal of this to get Fedora Commons into the
>> official Debian repository, or just make it map up with all
>> of Debian's standards to be easier for others to deploy and try out?
>>
>> P
>>
>>
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