Hi Paul,

 

No problem, i know my name is not an English name, and you’d be surprised how 
many UK friends of mine keep calling

Me Martin. I dont think the English language has many or any words at all with 
the IJ letters.

 

Anyways.

 

I do understand your words about who it hurts, but they are not entirly true. 
First of all, im reading the book in English.

As far as i know, and understand, HarperCollings is the English distributor. 
That means even if i buy the book from a dutch Site later on,

My money will still go to the same Publisher. So no Dutch publisher gets hurt.

 

Second of all, it wont hurt REF at all. He wasnt about to get money from me 
anyways till the 13th. He will still get it at the date he  is

Supposed to get it from me.

 

Third, then its maybe better to close down the internet. Or make all local 
sites, like co.uk / .nl/ de only available fort her own countries.

Companies need to learn to adapt. Today we live in the digital age.

 

Again, its not a promise to buy the book. Its a fact. I want to be able to hold 
the book and put it next to the other ones. I just dont want

to wait to read it.

 

Van: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] Namens Paul Atkinson
Verzonden: maandag 30 januari 2012 12:03
Aan: feistfans-l
Onderwerp: Re: Something about the release that bugs me.

 

Hi Martijn,

 

Sorry for the misspelt name. My mistake. I was rushing. 

 

To the body of the matter though,your intention to make a point is effectively 
saying because I can't have something legally I'm going to get it illegally 
until someone changes what they do.... but have you written to Amazon asking 
them to look again at there policy or asked them to explain it? Have you 
actually done anything to make YOUR voice heard? Have you considered that as a 
UK taxpayer I'd love you to buy you're book from the UK as ebooks have VAT 
applied, so you'd be sending money to the UK Treasury and not to Holland's? You 
also seem to make the invalid assumption that what you've done doesn't hurt 
anyone... It does. It hurts, first of all, REF economically in terms of royalty 
and commercial value of the product. Then it hurts the local publishing house 
who owns the right to publish REF's work in Holland. Thirdly it hurts the 
bottom line of resellers all of which which ultimately hurts the exchequers of 
various countries. 

 

Also, finally the reason you shouldn't be allowed is that what you've done 
breaks the law. Whether you like the situation or not, whether it makes sense 
or not, what you've done is to take part in an illegal practice and thats the 
simple reality....

 

Finally to me, it's abhorent behaviour. There are plenty of times when I've 
really wanted things (Lord of the Rings extended edition Blu-Ray spring to 
mind) but had to wait for the UK to get them after the US has them, such as 
film releases. I don't go out and download them off the net though with 
promises of "I'll buy them later". 

 

Paul

 

From: Martijn Bouman <[email protected]>
To: feistfans-l <[email protected]> 
Sent: Monday, 30 January 2012, 10:26
Subject: RE: Something about the release that bugs me.

 

Dear Paul,

 

First, its Martijn, not Martin,

 

You probably didnt read my mail completly. In my mail i told that i still have 
the book on pre order for when its released.

So, i will pay for the book, just not yet, as i cant get the book right now 
either. I have all his books already, some even 2

or 3 times as ive read them too many times fort hem to be consider books still 
;)

 

I am making a point. Its time people and companies start realizing that the way 
they are handling releases these days 

Is not the way to go anymore. Movie companies are doing the exact same things, 
and i believe its the exact opposit thing

they should do, to stop the illegal downloading.

 

Again, i will buy the book, dont you worry, i said it in my mail. I knew some 
people would be offended or maybe surprised

by what i was saying, but you should also understand, that i love to read the 
books of Raymond just as much as any other fan.

And i think in todays age, you shouldnt “punish” people  because of what 
country they are from.

 

I read the book in English, so there isnt any reason i should not be allowed to 
read the book on the release date.

 

Van: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] Namens Paul Atkinson
Verzonden: maandag 30 januari 2012 11:17
Aan: feistfans-l; [email protected]
Onderwerp: Re: Something about the release that bugs me.

 

Martin, 

 

I would say welcome to the list but...

 

What you've done here wasn't the brightest thing to do. 

 

First, you've just admitted to the rights holder that you've illegally acquired 
a copy of his work, with the rest of us witness to that. 

 

Second, a lot of people on this list consider Ray a friend of sort and 
certainly someone whom we respect as a person and an author. We all support his 
work by offering our encouragement (and sometimes criticism) but most 
importantly we support him by buying his work so he can continue to write the 
epic tales we all enjoy. You've just trampled all over that!

 

Thirdly, as a first time post it's really not the way to endear yourself to a 
group of people who love reading.

 

I'll say no more.

 

Paul

 

From: Martijn Bouman <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Monday, 30 January 2012, 9:13
Subject: Something about the release that bugs me.


Hello all,

This is my first post tot his mailinglist, but today i just want to
share a story about the new book A Crown Imperiled.

First, let me say im from Holland. Having said that, i would lake to
note that i read all books in English. I dont like
Translations from Englis as lots of language specific things go lost in
the translation. As many of you, i was looking
Forward to the next book from Raymond.

Today the book is out in the UK, for the kindle device. As i said, i
read all books in English so i log into the Amazon
Site to buy and download the book. This is where things go wrong.

We are living in 2012. Far far into the digital age. Everything can be
bought over the Internet, and world wide releases
are as easy as clicking on a link. NOT for his book though. Someone,
wether it be Raymond, the publisher or whoever else
decided that since i am not from the UK, i am not allowed to buy this
book right now.

I have to wait....And wait..And wait some more.

I would like you all to know, that i now downloaded the book from a
torrent file. Go look it up on the internet, its already available.
Will i buy the book when it gets realeased..Ofcourse, i want them all in
hardcover too. Will i wait..Ofcourse not. We live in 
A digital age, and it shouldnt be prohibited for me to read that book.

Releasing a book like this is like feeding the illegal downloads.
Whoever decided that this is the way to release a digital book is 
keeping the illegal downloading alive. I just dont understand why
companies or people  dont understand this.

So, there you have it. Right now im happily reading an illegal obtained
copy for A Crown Imperiled. And the sole reason is
That Raymond or HarperCollins or whoever else isnt allowing me to read
it at the release date cause i am from another country.
Thats like throwing us back into the middle ages. If companies want to
stop the illegal downloading, i suggest they keep up with 
the time we live in today, and go for world wide releases.

Regards,

Martijn Bouman




 


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