I'm so sorry about the gray tabby. For those times when you can't be there with him, if you put a stuffed animal in his nest he will have something to cuddle up to.
----- Original Message ----- From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:06 am Subject: RE: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! To: [email protected] > The gray tabby has died. The solid gray seems to be in good > shape. The kitten that died did poop several times which I took > as a good sign......... > > The living gray kitten seems to be doing ok. He will nurse, and > he has urinated, but that's all so far. > > I read on a website to massage the area before and after feeding. > > I'm going to take the little gray kitten to bed with me tonight > and see how it goes. I don't want to leave him by himself since > he lost his littermate. > > Thank you everyone. I hate just about everyone except people > like you who are on this list. :( > > t > > Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have absolutely no experience with kittens that > young but isn?t there also something about sort of ?massaging? > their rear so that they eliminate?its something mom cat does? > > Anything I?ve ever read about real young kittens suggests > replicating what mother would do?she?d be nuzzled up against them, > moving them around when she felt like moving, feeding on demand > and using her body to keep them warm. They stay close to mom to > hear that heartbeat and get the comfort. So, making a pouch and > holding next to you can?t possibly hurt, it seems to me. > > Chris > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! > > I would feed them more often than that esp since you fear that > they were abandoned for a while. Don't stress out if they refuse > to eat each time, but do offer it to them. I'm so glad the one is > seeming to feel better. I can understand why they suggest not > "over handling" them, but they are writing this for, pardon me, > but the majority of idiots out there that would be handling them > differently than you. I don't expect that you'd be manipulating > them and keeping them awake. They will sleep just fine next to > your body, probably better. I understand you concern about > disease, you do, after all, have an felv kitty in the house, but > unless you are allowing them to crawl around with everyone else, > they should be fine under your t-shirt. I don't know, they've > already been through so much, if you can give them some warmth and > a feeling of security, I think it's worth the risk. I guess > there's the possibility that they are carrying something that > might endanger your guys, > but I really think if they had something horrible, like Panluek, > they'd be gone already. > Nina > > catatonya wrote: > > > I had been carrying them around and keeping them warm inside > my shirt, but one of the websites I read said that I should keep > them away from all other cats because they may not have immunity > from their mother. > > > > I just don't know. The other cats were in the vacated house. > One of these kittens was on one side of the trash cans and the > other was on the other side. They were not together. So > basically we have no idea if they were being moved in the house, > out of the house, or abandoned. > > > > Since they are only 2-3 days old and were covered in maggots I > would say they had been there a while. I didn't see the place > itself to see if it was a place the cat might have felt > comfortable having the kittens in, but I doubt it. The house has > 3 boxers. (2 were thrown off an overpass July 3rd, and the reason > I was at their house was because I was passing out reward fliers > for them.) There are lots of other stray dogs and cats in that > area, and those people didn't keep their boxers confined. So I > can't imagine the cat had the kittens there and was just trying to > move them in. There's been a lot of comotion in the area since > the incident with the dogs. The people were out putting a fence up > today (what a concept!). They said they kept hearing crying and > found the 2 I took. The tips of their ears are a little bloody > suggesting flies biting them and hence the maggots. > > > > I just don't know. NO ONE is going to take in that mother cat > and the rest of those babies. And there's no way I can either. > DD (my positive) is stressing out just knowing these kittens are > here. She's overgrooming way more than normal and I just dosed > her a pred. > > > > I think I'm going to go put some honey on the sick ones gums. > He does seem to be a little better. I'm keeping my fingers > crossed. I also read that I shouldn't bother them (pick them up, > etc.....) too much between feedings for the first week because > they are so weak at this age they need to sleep. > > > > I started feeding them every 2 hours, but read on several > sites NOT to feed that frequently...........I've gone to 3 now. > > > > always something................ > > > > thanks for the advice. I'm going to go check on them now. > > > > t > > Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Tonya, > Not a good sign that these two kittens were separated from the > mother and other babies. You know what that could mean, they may > be weak and she decided to let them go to try and save her energy > and milk for the others. It may also have meant she was in the > process of moving them and hadn't gotten back to these two yet. I > have a really good home made kitten formula made from goat's milk > that I will send to you off list. It's better than any powder > form because it's fresh. When I give a kitten light karo to try > and stimulate their energy, I put the tiniest amount on my finger, > or Qtip and then wipe it on their gums, that way there is no > chance of aspirating them. As far as keeping them warm, esp the > one that's getting colder, the best thing to do, if you can, is to > keep them under your shirt next to your skin. They will feel > comforted by your warmth and heartbeat, and you will also know > immediately if they are in any sort of distress. While your up > and walking around, > you can fold a large t-shirt under and secure the "pouch" with > safety pins and just carry them around like a momma kangaroo. Be > very careful that the temp of what you have rigged for them is > constant and not to hot or cold. The best thing to do is have a > container that's just large enough to afford a space that isn't on > the heating pad, or hot water bottle, but is still cushioned. > With kittens this young, I don't know if they'd even be able to > move off of it when too hot though. Bless it girl, I feel for > you. I would guess that the temp should be slightly less than > normal body temp, but I'm not sure about this. They are so young > and fragile! I understand why you would say you probably should > have had them pts, and also understand why you couldn't! You > should probably be offering them food every 1/2 hour or so at > first, I wouldn't go much more than an hour apart until they are > eating consistently. With two week old kittens, I think it's > recommended to feed every > two hours. I could have sworn I had a better website than this > one, but there may be some info for you here: > http://www.caring4kittens.com/index.html > Blessings and prayers for the babies, you and the ones still out > there. Hopefully momma isn't feral, you catch her ass, and she's > healthy enough to care for her kittens. If she did abandon these > two, she might change her mind about caring for them when she's > safe, warm and fed. If you do end up adding them back into her > litter, make sure you rub them on the other kittens first to pick > up the scent of the rest of them. > > Have you gotten in touch with MC? I know that she's had lots of > experience with kittens. Hideyo recently took in days old kittens > w/o a mom and did really well with them too. I don't have MC's > number, but I do have Hideyo's, I'm sure she wouldn't mind a late > night phone call in an emergency. > Prayers for the babies, > Nina > > catatonya wrote: > thank you. I just gave him some sugar water. I hope that > might help. > > > > I was very careful, but I don't know if the 'drooling' means I > aspirated........... or he's got a uri or what. :( i'm going to > take his temperature. I have them in a bathroom with the vent > closed and covered. I have a heating pad on the floor and then a > towel and then a litter pan and then another towel and then the > kittens and then a towel over them. I'm going to try to check the > temp of that too. > > > > both of these kittens way around 3 oz. Sites I've been > looking at say they should be born weighing more than that! > > > > They had maggot eggs (not crawling yet) on them......... so > they must have been there for a while. We found the mother and > other kittens in an abandoned house but we can't do anything about > any of it until tomorrow. ugh. The lady that found them is going > to break into the house and put the kittens that remain in a > basket with a towel and give the mother food and water till we can > decide what to do tomorrow. > > > > t > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I wouldn't have them euthanized just because they are little. > I take > in small kittens all the time. > > I don't use KMR. I use Fox Valley. They sell all kinds of milk for > all kinds of animals. Better IMHO than KMR and cheaper. > > You have to mail order it though...I keep about a pound of the > powder > on hand at all times, but I take in a lot of litters. > > http://foxvalleynutrition.com/main/home.asp > > Sometimes little kittens just die and there is nothing you can > do:( > As I am sure you know mortality among kittens is really high:(. Is > the > little one eating? If he won't suck you can feed from a syringe. > > Drooling doesn't appear to be a great sign: > > http://maxshouse.com/kitten_care.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: catatonya > Date: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:52 pm > Subject: anyone got advice for me tonight? urgent! > To: "[email protected]" > > > Hey guys, > > > > long story short.......... I am home with 2 (vet said 2-4....... > > I say 2 tops) 2 day old kittens. > > > > Of course it was sunday and i had to go to emergency vet. he > > said they seemed ok for the circumstances and told me to bottle > > feed and keep them warm. > > > > that cost $100 > > > > I knew I should just have them euthanized. I know there are no > > homes. I know there are more than the shelter can handle > > etc.......... but I brought them home. > > > > The smaller one will suckle and take the kmr (walmart brand > > recommended by vet. is that really all right??) > > > > The other seems to be drooling from his mouth. Everytime I > > check him he seems colder and colder. I have them on a hot water > > bottles on a towel and have even put it inside a heater. I've > put > > them in bed with me. > > > > I don't think he's going to make it. > > > > Any ideas as to why he might be drooling and what I might could do? > > > > tonya > > > > > > > > > >
