I know.. I am sorry if sounded defensive - I am just mad at myself - and I can't help it.
Three different vets including a specialist thought --- looking at the blood work and clinical symptoms, they all agreed that it was FIP who killed of my babies - and I knew that before they knew - there was nothing else they could rule out - and it's been about 6 months since Naomi started to show the symptoms.. according to the literature. When epidemic happens, usually it will last about 6 months from the first incidence and I am so hoping that I am going to see the end of it very very soon here... _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had on...........she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat. She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something that you would not know about? We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them. Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Hoffman <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it. Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices. You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable. Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness- I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing - but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma - they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive - and started running low grade fever, and her pupil's size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs - and did blood work that's when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on interferon right away just in case it was FIP.. Peter's illness was not acute either I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy watching Naomi - he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and did not know it - if I had paid more attention to Peter, things might have been different as he was a little bit older boy and may be there was a better chance to save his life with interferon and I kick mysef for that all the time - it makes me so bad when I think of it.. and the same thing for Olive, it was not acute on set - she was feral and used to hide all the time, and she had a long hair, and did not know that she was getting sick .. again, I was too busy watching Dharma and did not notice Olive's illness - her liver values elevated, and it must have taken a few weeks to get that bad - and again,, I failed to see it... just to me Peter's and Olive's illness were very sudden and quick, but they really weren't - if I had paid more attention to them, I would have noticed them at least a couple of months ago.. - rikki's illness were very chronic.. I noticed several months ago he had been losing weight as Peter did.. I first thought it was either liver or kidney - -but blood work was not indicating neither - only thing was high globulin and moderaly anemic - but again a lot of my cats have been.. and rikki is an older kitty so I was hoping that he did not have FIP - and still don't know for sure.. I am sorry Susan, if I did not describe their conditions well - now I hope it makes sense to you..why I have been saying that it is FIP that killing my babies. now I am dealing with two kitties who are less than 1 year old Tony and Lizzy (she is my bottle baby) -started showing some similar signs as Naomi and Dharma originally did - Lizzy is 6 months old but she only weight 3.10 lb - but did not worry about her as she has been very active.. but she has URIs that she can't get rid of. She has lost some weights - and Tony has started with sneeze and low grade fever, letharzy for the past week or two.. I am not convinced that they have FIP right now - no neurological sign or anything - it might be pre-FIP stage-who knows.. but as you may notice, I am paranoid. .so I started on FOI right away -hoping that we can get rid of any viral stuff going on in them.. Hideyo _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Dry FIP is very hard to diagnose because the general symptoms are consistent with so many other diseases. It is very easy to misdiagnose dry FIP and miss the real cause of something. Also, the rapid onset, ages of some of the cats, and the number who are being stricken in such a short period of time are NOT consistent with dry FIP. What Hideyo describes across the board is consistent with ingesting a toxic substance. And if you look at the cats individually you can identify other illnesses that would present with the same symptoms. Unfortunately, since I do shelter rescues, I have seen a few cases of dry FIP this year and last. And I have researched FIP in an attempt to deal with what I have seen. What Hideyo describes is not typical of FIP in a shelter or rescue environment. Some of the cats, maybe, but not all of them in the time frame and with the symptoms describes. There may be something else going on and I would not assume FIP to the exclusion of any other explanation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it. Michelle
