V8 might have onion in it, but I don't know.  I
couldn't get any of my cats to eat the liver shake,
but some kitties love it.  Good suggestion.

:)
Wendy

--- Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We used to make a Liver Shake here that was
> basically liver and a little
> tomato or V8 juice... Sick cats seem to love that
> but some people say
> it has onions in it... But I can't see that it
> does...
> Anybody have any thoughts on this ???
> Tad
> 
> C & J wrote:
> 
> > I can't find A/D here anywhere, the vets here use
> a different brand 
> > called royal canin medi-cal vet formulas.  This is
> the stuff I was 
> > pureeing, and syringe feeding her.  I was supposed
> to add potassium, 
> > water, and vegetable oil to it though.
> >
> > For the nasal tube feeding, it was a liquid food
> called Rebound they 
> > gave me.  It was like a lactose free milk, and
> high in calories, comes 
> > in a little drinking box type carton.
> >
> > I bought some various brands of canned food to try
> today as well.
> >
> > Cassandra
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tad Burnett"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Update on Kisa
> >
> >
> >> Will she eat A/D ??? That's mostly liver with
> vitamins...
> >>
> >>
> >> C & J wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kisa is peeing, probably about every 8 hours. 
> She's so weak, that 
> >>> if I don't have a litter box within 2feet of
> her, she'll just go 
> >>> close to where she's laying.
> >>>
> >>> She must not have been very dehydrated yet,
> since it took at least 
> >>> 12 hours to absorb the 100ml of fluid we gave
> her.  She's only about 
> >>> 6-7 pounds now, she was 8 pounds when she was
> healthy.  I'm thinking 
> >>> I probably shouldn't give her more fluids today
> since she hasn't 
> >>> vomited so far.  I don't think she's dehydrated
> at all at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> She's still licking liver off the back of a
> spoon today.  I tried 
> >>> baby food as well, but she wasn't that
> interested in it.  She did 
> >>> lick a few spoonbacks of it though.  Kisa tried
> to sit up to eat the 
> >>> food directly off the plate, but its almost like
> she's forgotten how 
> >>> to eat that way. She sniffed it, and tried
> licking, but she was too 
> >>> far away to actually lick any up.  As long as I
> put some on the back 
> >>> of a spoon and hold it in front of her mouth,
> she seems to be able 
> >>> to eat that way.
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to get her eating something other than
> just liver, but if 
> >>> she'll eat that, its a good start.  I may
> dissolve a mulitvitamin in 
> >>> it for her if that's all she'll eat.  I don't
> want to overload the 
> >>> vitamin A though either.
> >>>
> >>> Kisa purred when we took her to bed last night,
> and has been purring 
> >>> today when we pet her, so I think she's feeling
> a bit better.  She 
> >>> tried to bath herself, even though it tired her
> out some.
> >>>
> >>> Cassandra
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Norman" 
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:36 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Update on Kisa
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Cassamdra.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do NOT attempt to express her bladder unless
> you are familiar with 
> >>>> doing so! This is not something I would ever
> undertake without 
> >>>> being sure I knew what I was doing as you can
> do real damage.  Keep 
> >>>> her litter fresh so that you can see what she
> pees if she is using 
> >>>> the litter box.  If you are giving 100 ml a
> day, she should be 
> >>>> peeing fairly normally.  I would make it a
> habit to give it at the 
> >>>> same time each day.  Do you know how to do the
> skin test for 
> >>>> dehydration?  Check the gums for tackiness? How
> much do you think 
> >>>> she weighs now?
> >>>>
> >>>> Pam
> >>>>
> >>>> Kelly L wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> At 06:42 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alot depends upon her kidney function and her
> respiratory status. 
> >>>>> On a healthy 10 lb cat 2-300 cc per day is
> fine, but if her organs 
> >>>>> are not working properly it could cause a
> fluidover load and even 
> >>>>> make it harder for her to breathe. Id she
> peeing,,,you need to 
> >>>>> compare what goes in with what goes out, do
> you know how to 
> >>>>> express her bladder if you need to,
> >>>>> he kidneys do need to be working.
> >>>>>  I would feel comfortable  with 100, but I
> would sure call the vet 
> >>>>> and ask as they know he lab values and heart
> and lung status,,
> >>>>> Make sure he body temp does not drop either
> Have you checked her 
> >>>>> temp,,,?
> >>>>> Thanks for the update and I am sending many
> good thoughts. it is 
> >>>>> so very very hard when we love them so much.
> >>>>> Kelly
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> A small update on Kisa.
> >>>>>>  I didn't think she would make it through the
> night, and at one 
> >>>>>> point I checked on her and thought she was
> gone, because I didn't 
> >>>>>> see the heavy breathing.
> >>>>>>  She did make it through the night, and I was
> seriously 
> >>>>>> considering taking her in to the vet for
> euthanasia.  I asked her 
> >>>>>> if I should, and was very upset I wasn't
> strong enough to make 
> >>>>>> that decision.
> >>>>>>  Well, now she actually looks a little bit
> better.  She's very 
> >>>>>> weak, but she seems more alert and her
> breathing, while still 
> >>>>>> fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not
> breathing through her 
> >>>>>> mouth.  It could be the dexamethasone making
> some sort of 
> >>>>>> difference.
> >>>>>>  And then the strangest thing of all
> happened, she ate about 1 
> >>>>>> and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by
> licking it off the 
> >>>>>> back of a spoon. This is the first time in
> two weeks since this 
> >>>>>> started, that she didn't gag at the very
> sight/smell of food.  I 
> >>>>>> couldn't believe she actually ate.  She must
> not be feeling as 
> >>>>>> nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited
> today.
> >>>>>>  I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this
> is the first 
> >>>>>> positive thing that has happened for her in
> two weeks.  I guess 
> >>>>>> we'll just have to wait and see how she does
> over the next couple 
> >>>>>> of days.  If she's trying to get better, she
> has an awful lot to 
> >>>>>> overcome yet in order to do so.
> >>>>>>  I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to
> keep her hydrated at 
> >>>>>> least. Just a question on that, how much
> fluid should she get in 
> 
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