The home cooked meals may be your answer.  The Primal is so ground up I haven't 
found a bone...........just very dense cubes.  Google Primal and other raw 
(BARF) sites.  Dixie just happens to like this one big time. 




                                                 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
                                                 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
                                                 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
                                                                  St. Francis
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beth Noren 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:54 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.


  Do you know if the raw diets can be cooked, or does that destroy the vitamins 
and taurine
  and stuff?  Or does it make the ground up bone chips too brittle and 
dangerous?  I have a link from someone for mail-order supplements that can be 
added to home-cooked meals, may go that route...

  Thank you,
  Beth

   
  On 6/11/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
    If you get into the raw diets:  Primal runs about $16 for 4 pounds.  It 
comes in little ounce cubes that you thaw and, given how concentrated it is, is 
as cheap or cheaper than some otc canned foods......FF is about 70 cants a can 
here (3 ounces).  Don't panic yet.    






                                                     If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
                                                     from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
                                                     will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
                                                                      St. 
Francis
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Beth Noren 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:13 AM
      Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

       
      Hi Marylyn,
      Thank you so much for your suggestions, I really appreciate your 
kindness.  I haven't
      tried an alternative vet yet, but do know of a good one not too far away. 
 I've got a couple more food trials to do, and then I think we'll see what the 
holistic vet has to say.  I know someone said before that Hill's Z/D did the 
trick for them.  I want to try it, but am afraid of Hill's since the tainted 
food nightmare.  Mine were all on Hill's D/D in February, and I had piles of 
throw-up everywhere.  The D/D was never recalled, but now I don't totally trust 
Hill's.  They did eat the recalled Natural Balance Venison & Green Pea in 
January, with no noticeable ill effect (or improvement in his itching).  The 
itching first started around Christmas, and it's all up on his head, so I don't 
think it's flea allergies, but maybe.  I did just start them back on Revolution 
(thank you again for the help with that Kelley S. and MC!) so we'll see.  These 
darn food trials just take soooooooo long.  And I'm afraid the ultimate answer 
is going to be home-cooking mail-order rabbit or some such for five kitties.  
Yikes!  I'll post if (when! positive thinking) I find something that works.  
Funny, other than two fevers early on, my FeLv kitty has been the healthiest 
one of the bunch.  Way more worries and vet bills (allergies, broken bone, ear 
infection, tumorish-looking fat deposit) for the virus-free bunch.  Ya never 
know... 

      Thank you again for your help,
      Beth     

       
      On 6/10/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
        Have you tried a holistic/alternative vet?  Or AC's?  You would be 
surprised what a cat will tell an AC it trusts.  There are volunteer groups 
(they tell me) on the internet.  Dixie has been able to tell me that she was 
spayed and certainly didn't need spaying again, even if the vets couldn't find 
the scar (hormone tests proved her right), when she has a flea (even one or two 
causes hot spots), if she needed to go to the vet after the pet food scar (long 
story) etc.  

        I've been off computer and really don't know what all you have tried 
but I know of two avs that are great.  

        For some reason I have to believe you need to try Just Born or some 
other colostrum containing supplement for your little friend.  That may help 
and I can't believe that mother's milk would hurt.   

           






                                                         If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
                                                         from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
                                                         will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
                                                                          St. 
Francis
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Beth Noren 
          To: [email protected] 
          Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:47 PM
          Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

           
          Hi Tad,
          I agree, rescuing a declawed shelter cat is the perfect solution for 
those that 
          "must" have a declawed cat.  Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck 
suggesting this
          to people yet, (even when I tell them how much money they can save) 
as they all 
          seem to want itty-bitty kittens.  In my case, I WANT the claws, I am 
just considering a possible declaw in the distant future if I can't figure out 
what is making his head itch so bad that he kicks it open...

          Beth


           
          On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
            `I guess the point is that its a great way to keep the piece...
            Nobody can get upset if you tell people you rescued your declawed 
cat 
            from a shelter already declawed...
            Tad

            Kelley Saveika wrote:

            > On 6/10/07, Tad Burnett < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
            >
            >> There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was 
            >> looking at
            >> last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they 
had I 
            >> noticed
            >> that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed
            >> like they 
            >> would make great pets...
            >> Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! 
            >> If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties 
just dying
            >> waiting
            >> to be adopted and already declawed... 
            >> Tad
            >
            >
            > 1 in 4 is about the national average for declawed cats.  So this 
            > statistic makes sense to me.









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